NASCAR becoming a sideshow?

[limblips]

I have long hated the way NASCAR has been going. I really wish they would return to STOCK car racing instead of the "slot car" thing they have going now. I have compared them to "professional wrestling" on occasion. Then this past weekend the All Star race was the kicker! In my opinion they have gone over the edge. Rick "The Nature Boy" Flair? And the extravagant displays. Way too much like monster trucks, wrestling and roller derby for me. Saturday nite dirt track may be seeing more of me! Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

I have long hated the way NASCAR has been going. I really wish they would return to STOCK car racing instead of the "slot car" thing they have going now. I have compared them to "professional wrestling" on occasion. Then this past weekend the All Star race was the kicker! In my opinion they have gone over the edge. Rick "The Nature Boy" Flair? And the extravagant displays. Way too much like monster trucks, wrestling and roller derby for me. Saturday nite dirt track may be seeing more of me! Just my 2 cents worth.

First of all, if they put "stock cars" on these big tracks they race now, you'd be peeling bodies off the asphalt every week.

NASCAR has it's problems. But it's still better than boring baseball, gay basketball and football.

To be honest, I think this is one of the best seasons in a long time. Minus boring California, Atlanta, Talladega and boring Texas, the racing's been fantastic.

Then again, I'm just happy The Old Man's kickin' ass!

 

[limblips]

First of all, if they put "stock cars" on these big tracks they race now, you'd be peeling bodies off the asphalt every week.

NASCAR has it's problems. But it's still better than boring baseball, gay basketball and football.

To be honest, I think this is one of the best seasons in a long time. Minus boring California, Atlanta, Talladega and boring Texas, the racing's been fantastic.

Then again, I'm just happy The Old Man's kickin' ass!

Maybe I should have been clearer on my meaning of stock car. I am all for the safety features, I just think the cars should match the as manufactured templates. If you are going to call it a Chevy then it should look like a Chevy, not match every other car in the field. If Ford's aren't as aero as Chevy's then let Ford redesign, not NASCAR! I have been watching since the 60's so I have seen change. And since the old man has good iron under him, he is awesome! Go MM!

 

[aps45819]

First of all, if they put "stock cars" on these big tracks they race now, you'd be peeling bodies off the asphalt every week.

Why?
Modern cars have lots of safety features and with the addition of a roll cage would be even safer.
Why do you think that the safety features mandated by your government shouldn't be used on racetracks? If they're good enough to be forced on the public why aren't they good enough for racing?

Maybe GM and Chrysler wouldn be in the crapper if they built better cars.

 

[aps45819]

Maybe I should have been clearer on my meaning of stock car.

Require a minimum of 500 units to be built to qualify as stock, add a spec roll cage, allow brake and suspension upgrades and minimum engine changes.
Require a stock transmission and maybe we'll get more manuals back on the road.

That's how we got the Doge Daytona's and Super Birds

 

[Michael Delaney]

There already is racing that utilizes "stock" based cars. In fact many of the cars are actually neato sports cars such as the Viper, Vette, 911, F430, Gallardo, etc...

SPEED GT
SPEED TOURING
Koni GT
ALMS GT
Rally America

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

There already is racing that utilizes "stock" based cars. In fact many of the cars are actually neato sports cars such as the Viper, Vette, 911, F430, Gallardo, etc...

SPEED GT
SPEED TOURING
Koni GT
ALMS GT
Rally America

When's the last time they raced one of those at Texas Motor Speedway at over 190 mph? Would a driver survive a head-on impact with a concrete barrier at over 190 mph in one of those cars?

The tracks they race on have sand traps and tire barriers.

 

[Michael Delaney]

If you are comparing to NASCAR...
I have never seen a car in NASCAR go head on into a concrete barrier. Certainly no one would survive a head on impact with a concrete barrier at 190 mph.
There are some concrete barriers at road racing courses.
The comp Vipers, Gallardo's, F430's and Vettes are capable of 190+mph, even the "stock" cars right off of the showroom floor.

When's the last time they raced one of those at Texas Motor Speedway at over 190 mph? Would a driver survive a head-on impact with a concrete barrier at over 190 mph in one of those cars?

The tracks they race on have sand traps and tire barriers.

 

[limblips]

If you are comparing to NASCAR...
I have never seen a car in NASCAR go head on into a concrete barrier. Certainly no one would survive a head on impact with a concrete barrier at 190 mph.
The comp Vipers, Gallardo's, F430's and Vettes are capable of 190+mph, even the "stock" cars right off of the showroom floor.

Do a Google search on Ernie Ervin! He hit so hard that his skull was fractured by his brain from the inside. He eventually drove again but not with the same attitude. Another accident eventually sidelined him forever.

 

[aps45819]

There already is racing that utilizes "stock" based cars. In fact many of the cars are actually neato sports cars such as the Viper, Vette, 911, F430, Gallardo, etc...

Those aren't the cars that NASCAR attempts to copy.
It's your basic family sedan or coupe that was the basis for "stock" car racing and the driving concept was "win on Sunday, sell on Monday." The average Joe could buy and drive basically the same car that won the big race at Daytona.
Now you can't even buy the same fuel they use.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

If you are comparing to NASCAR...
I have never seen a car in NASCAR go head on into a concrete barrier. Certainly no one would survive a head on impact with a concrete barrier at 190 mph.
There are some concrete barriers at road racing courses.
The comp Vipers, Gallardo's, F430's and Vettes are capable of 190+mph, even the "stock" cars right off of the showroom floor.

Do a Google search on Ernie Ervin! He hit so hard that his skull was fractured by his brain from the inside. He eventually drove again but not with the same attitude. Another accident eventually sidelined him forever.

both of you.

Irvan's Michigan crash was 15 years ago.

 

[nachomama]

If you are comparing to NASCAR...
I have never seen a car in NASCAR go head on into a concrete barrier. Certainly no one would survive a head on impact with a concrete barrier at 190 mph.

Ernie Irvan, Michigan 1994
Dale Earnhardt Sr., Daytona, 2001

Ernie survived, but had major head trauma and although he returned to racing, he was never the same. Had a near identical wreck 6 years to the day at the same track, same turn, same wall, and almost the exact same time.

We all know how Sr., fared.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

Ernie Irvan, Michigan 1994
Dale Earnhardt Sr., Daytona, 2001

Ernie survived, but had major head trauma and although he returned to racing, he was never the same. Had a near identical wreck 6 years to the day at the same track, same turn, same wall, and almost the exact same time.

We all know how Sr., fared.

The "slot car" COT they have now, along with the HANS device and the SAFER barriers, would've saved Dale's life.

 

[Michael Delaney]

True for those cars. The Koni Challenge and Rolex GT utilizes cars that the average joe drives to work everyday.
I am more interested in watching a sports car such as a Vette or a Gallardo race as compared to race car based on a grocery getter.

Although a different racing series, one of the worst accidents I have seen. He ws racing again 2 weeks later ...
YouTube - Robert Kubica's Crash in Montreal 2007 HQ

Those aren't the cars that NASCAR attempts to copy.
It's your basic family sedan or coupe that was the basis for "stock" car racing and the driving concept was "win on Sunday, sell on Monday." The average Joe could buy and drive basically the same car that won the big race at Daytona.
Now you can't even buy the same fuel they use.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

True for those cars. The Koni Challenge and Rolex GT utilizes cars that the average joe drives to work everyday.
I am more interested in watching a sports car such as a Vette or a Gallardo race as compared to race car based on a grocery getter.

Although a different racing series, one of the worst accidents I have seen. He ws racing again 2 weeks later ...
YouTube - Robert Kubica's Crash in Montreal 2007 HQ

Hey Michael, who owns Grand-Am Road Racing?

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

Those aren't the cars that NASCAR attempts to copy.
It's your basic family sedan or coupe that was the basis for "stock" car racing and the driving concept was "win on Sunday, sell on Monday." The average Joe could buy and drive basically the same car that won the big race at Daytona.
Now you can't even buy the same fuel they use.

Hey Aps, who owns Grand-Am Road Racing?

 

[Michael Delaney]

What does that have to do with this discussion Beaver?

Hey Michael, who owns Grand-Am Road Racing?

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

What does that have to do with this discussion Beaver?

You and aps both says you like Grand-Am, but here you are bashing NASCAR (which, btw, owns Grand-Am).

Don't get me wrong, you know I love the Grand-Am Rolex Sports Car Series. The Rolex 24 at Daytona was some of the best racing I've ever seen. I'm just pointing out the obvious.

Deaths this decade in old car: Adam Petty, Kenny Irwin, Blaise Alexander (ARCA), Eric Martin (ARCA) and of course the great Dale Earnhardt.

Injuries in old car in recent years: Dario Franchitti (NNS), Patrick Sheltra (ARCA), Larry Hollenbeck (ARCA), Billy Venturinni (ARCA), Clair Zimmerman (ARCA), Frank Kimmel (ARCA), Bobby Gerhart (ARCA), Tony Stewart (NNS and Cup), Jerry Nadeau (Cup)... there are more, I just can't think of them all off the top of my head.

Injuries in COT: None.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

Now you can't even buy the same fuel they use.

Hey look aps:

ARCAracing.com

You can buy an '06 Roush-Fenway Ford Fusion for $25,000!

 

[Michael Delaney]

I know who owns Grand Am. Grand Am is Grand Am, and NASCAR is still NASCAR is still NASCAR. Same owner, very different series.

Well, I am off on vacation to Germany and the ADAC 24 Hour race at the Nurburgring.
Talk later Beaver.

You and aps both says you like Grand-Am, but here you are bashing NASCAR (which, btw, owns Grand-Am).

Don't get me wrong, you know I love the Grand-Am Rolex Sports Car Series. The Rolex 24 at Daytona was some of the best racing I've ever seen. I'm just pointing out the obvious.