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[Mikeinsmd]

Again, F1 is broadcast worldwide. It's television audience is 2 billion a year and it is broadcast in 200 countries. NASCAR's sudience is mainly only in the U.S. Kinda funny how you are bagging on the F1 drivers and stating that they are pansies. They are pure athletes unlike many of the drivers in NASCAR. I have yet to see an outta shape F1 driver, except for Montoya is getting chunky. Comparing F1 and NASCAR is apples and oranges. F1 is about technology and performance, unlike NASCAR.
Did you read the link? It is a great write up comparing the 2 forms of motorsports and the fans: http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/28732/ The fact is that F1 does contain the fastest closed course race cars in the world, with many of the fastest drivers in the world. Being a race car driver myself, I understand that a fast car is defined by it's ability to accelerate, corner and brake well, and that a fast car is not fast unless it has a fast driver in the cockpit.

1. "Reply with quote" is your friend.
2. Great write up????
3. Where do you get your statistics?? They are Even the last paragraph of your silly article states Nascar is bigger. Show me the stat that 2 billion watch F1. If it's true & Nascar is bigger, Nascar must have 8 billion per year watching.

That is the one of biggest pieces of biased garbage I ever read. Did this dolt overlook the documentary crabcake mentioned ?? Let me quote some things the article got right:

When you combine the two issues -- the fallout from the power of NASCAR’s popularity and NASCAR’s ability to devour other forms of motorsports

The problem isn’t so much that open-wheel racing has failed as it is that NASCAR has sucked all the air out of the room. Look at all of the general sports Web sites that link readers to “NASCAR“ for auto racing coverage. Not “motorsports,” not “auto racing,” just “NASCAR,” as if everything else in racing is just minor-league filler. Look at the airtime given the most blasé of NASCAR’s smoke-and-fire highlights during SportsCenter, then try to recall the last time you heard Allmendinger mentioned on the same show.

Big ratings and big crowds, of course, lead to big attention and big sponsorship. Only a handful of IRL or Champ Car teams can afford what Danica Patrick is about to be worth on the open market, and, even if she wants to stay, her opportunities are likely to be limited.

Either fight for what’s right about racing, what's so right about cars that can't even get close enough to rub??? or surrender to what appeals to the largest audience.

The bulk of NASCAR fans are reasonable, intelligent folk,

that NASCAR is superior to F1.

is that NASCAR, in its monstrous growth, has become a viable alternative for other racers, even F1 racers.

The rest of the article exposes the authors obvious sour grapes.

The dummy doesn't realize that popularity = advertising dollars!! Hence F1 pales in comparison to Nascar. Try to spin it anyway you want but If F1 were 1/4 as popular, they'd get some press.....they're not. He even cries to ESPN to take notice of some driver (Allmendinger ) not exactly a household name, who won 3 his last 3 races.

 

[Michael Delaney]

I suppose you are also a fan of professional wrestling and reality TV. NASCAR is a popular form of auto racing in the United States, not a better form of auto racing.
That is one of the points of the write-up.
F1 is about technology, and contains the fastest cars and drivers in the world. There is no denying that. I am a F1 fan, a champ car fan, a sports car racing fan, and a fan of the WRC, all of which contain cars far superior in performance to NASCAR’s offerings. Besides, I never understood the fascination of watching a car based on the family grocery getter running in a circle.

 

[crabcake]

I suppose you are also a fan of professional wrestling and reality TV. NASCAR is a popular form of auto racing in the United States, not a better form of auto racing.
That is one of the points of the write-up.
F1 is about technology, and contains the fastest cars and drivers in the world. There is no denying that. I am a F1 fan, a champ car fan, a sports car racing fan, and a fan of the WRC, all of which contain cars far superior in performance to NASCAR’s offerings. Besides, I never understood the fascination of watching a car based on the family grocery getter running in a circle.

So go start an F1 thread already! :shrug:

 

[cattitude]

So go start an F1 thread already! :shrug:

Nobody would read it.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

I suppose you are also a fan of professional wrestling and reality TV. NASCAR is a popular form of auto racing in the United States, not a better form of auto racing.
That is one of the points of the write-up. F1 is about technology, and contains the fastest cars and drivers in the world. There is no denying that. I am a F1 fan, a sports car racing fan, and a fan of the WRC, all of which contain cars far superior in performance to NASCAR’s offerings. So NASCAR is sub-par in comparison of performance. Besides, I never understood the fascination of watching a car based on the family grocery getter running in a circle.

Michael, Michael, Michael... Moving off topic I see. I never disputed F1 performance. I disputed your comment that he is moving down. First of all if a comparison was done of average speed per season, I'd speculate that nascar is faster because they only have two road courses.

Subpar in performance?? I think not. I'll use your own post.

a 1150 pound, 750hp race car to a 3400 pound 800hp car.

Both cars reach speeds of 200mph+. Yes, F1's are faster but they are also half the weight!! Not to mention two completely different engine types. Lets remove the restrictor plate and Nascar becomes just as fast as F1 with TWICE the weight!! Still wanna argue speed and technology??

This is two different types of racing. I'm not fascinated by watching fast cars running around a winding track, slowing way down to negotiate a turn and not even being able to rub up against his compitition because he'll wreck. I've tried to watch IRL/F1 and I get bored before the first lap is done. Obviously I am in the majority based on popularity.

And no, I am not a fan of wrestling or reality TV, they are jokes.

 

[crabcake]

This is two different types of racing. I'm not fascinated by watching fast cars running around a winding track, slowing way down to negotiate a turn and not even being able to rub up against his compitition because he'll wreck. I've tried to watch IRL/F1 and I get bored before the first lap is done. Obviously I am in the majority based on popularity.

And no, I am not a fan of wrestling or reality TV, unless it includes naked chics and lots of baby oil.

fixed

 

[Michael Delaney]

Yes, NASCAR is sub-par in performance:

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/29108/

Pointless argument though, because you do not understand auto racing at all. Have you ever raced a car other than from stoplight to stop light? In most racing throughout the world, a cars ability is not only measured by its top speed, but how quickly it can negotiate a turn, how quickly it can accelerate and reduce its speed.

And yes, I see Montoya stepping down the ladder because he will be driving a less capable car, and is moving to a form of motorsports that is less popular in the WORLD.

Anyway, how is it that you think Montoya won't be able to perform in NASCAR? Where do you see the skills of an F1 driver such as Montoya lacking? Specifics please?

 

[Speedy70]

Yes, NASCAR is sub-par in performance:

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/29108/

Pointless argument though, because you do not understand auto racing at all. Have you ever raced a car other than from stoplight to stop light? In most racing throughout the world, a cars ability is not only measured by its top speed, but how quickly it can negotiate a turn, how quickly it can accelerate and reduce its speed.

And yes, I see Montoya stepping down the ladder because he will be driving a less capable car, and is moving to a form of motorsports that is less popular in the WORLD.

Anyway, how is it that you think Montoya won't be able to perform in NASCAR? Where do you see the skills of an F1 driver such as Montoya lacking? Specifics please?

 

[Mikeinsmd]

I'm done with him. He has no point except for a feeble attempt to razz Nascar. He flies off on tangents (no one said Montoya won't be able to perform in NASCAR or was lacking skills).

I'm a race fan. I wouldn't rag on him or his sport until he commented that Montaoya was stepping down. Nascar drivers stand outside under the sun, in the pitts all day doing interviews without some flunky holding an umbrella over them. Nascar is the fastest growing sport in the world. These are indisputable facts. F1 is popular around the world only because they travel around the world. Look at the popularity Nascar had when they went to Mexico.

Hellooooooo ...McFly!!! How many Nascar drivers are defecting "up" to F1???

 

[Speedy70]

I'm done with him. He has no point except for a feeble attempt to razz Nascar. He flies off on tangents (no one said Montoya won't be able to perform in NASCAR or was lacking skills).

I'm a race fan. I wouldn't rag on him or his sport until he commented that Montaoya was stepping down. Nascar drivers stand outside under the sun, in the pitts all day doing interviews without some flunky holding an umbrella over them. Nascar is the fastest growing sport in the world. These are indisputable facts. F1 is popular around the world only because they travel around the world. Look at the popularity Nascar had when they went to Mexico.

Hellooooooo ...McFly!!! How many Nascar drivers are defecting "up" to F1???

Did you see that Happy Hour at Pocono has been canceled? That sucks. Your guy is starting at lucky #13. My guy is starting 30th.

 

[crabcake]

Anyway, how is it that you think Montoya won't be able to perform in NASCAR? Where do you see the skills of an F1 driver such as Montoya lacking? Specifics please?

I don't see where anyone said he wouldn't be able to perform; I said he didn't have NASCAR experience, which is a fact. :shrug:

 

[Bustem' Down]

I've tried to watch IRL/F1 and I get bored before the first lap is done. Obviously I am in the majority based on popularity.

I've tried watching NASCAR and get the same feeling. I fall asleep during every race, just round and round and round. IRL is the same way for me. I get much more out of F1.

 

[Fishn Guy]

I've tried watching NASCAR and get the same feeling. I fall asleep during every race, just round and round and round. IRL is the same way for me. I get much more out of F1.

Yeah

 

[smoothmarine187]

On his second lap he toured the road course in 1:16:5, his fast time of the day. According to Gordon's crew chief, Robbie Loomis, Montoya ran a top lap of 1 minute, 39.9 seconds in the stock car, which was a mere 1.1 seconds behind what Gordon did in a shakedown session an hour prior. Gordon's aforementioned fast lap (1:16.5) in the F1 car was only 1.3 seconds slower than Montoya's shakedown lap earlier in the day.


This was taken from when Montoya and Jeff Gordon switched cars. This just shows how much faster a Formula 1 car is than a Stock car.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

This was taken from when Montoya and Jeff Gordon switched cars. This just shows how much faster a Formula 1 car is than a Stock car.

What's your point? Did anyone say F1 cars weren't faster? They're half the weight and designed to stick to the track.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

I've tried watching NASCAR and get the same feeling. I fall asleep during every race, just round and round and round. IRL is the same way for me. I get much more out of F1.

I've fallen asleep during a Nascar race. They should get rid of California and some other tracks. Since I don't watch, what is the difference between F1 and IRL?

 

[Michael Delaney]

There are lot of differences between an F1 car, an Indy car, and a Champ Car. Mainly engine sizes, what materials can be used on brakes and engines, car weights, tires, wing configurations/sizes, etc.
Yes, they are all open wheeled winged cars, but they are very different from each other.

 

[Michael Delaney]

Lap times for a F1 car at Indy now are in the 1:10's. They really are something to watch live. The speed that they carry through the twisties is unreal looking.
ALMS prototypes and Champ cars are the only other race cars that could come anywhere close to an F1 cars lap times, yet they would still be around 4-8 seconds a lap slower.

On his second lap he toured the road course in 1:16:5, his fast time of the day. According to Gordon's crew chief, Robbie Loomis, Montoya ran a top lap of 1 minute, 39.9 seconds in the stock car, which was a mere 1.1 seconds behind what Gordon did in a shakedown session an hour prior. Gordon's aforementioned fast lap (1:16.5) in the F1 car was only 1.3 seconds slower than Montoya's shakedown lap earlier in the day.


This was taken from when Montoya and Jeff Gordon switched cars. This just shows how much faster a Formula 1 car is than a Stock car.

 

[Michael Delaney]

Uhm, the original post was poking fun at Montoya, stating that he has no NASCAR experience, and that there are other more experienced drivers that should fill the position first. I stuck up for the fact that he is a very experienced driver stepping down from the pinnicle of motorsports to NASCAR.
Secondly, most NASCAR drivers are not considered skilled enough to drive an F1 car in competition.
NASCAR may be growing quickly in the U.S., but worldwide it draws no where near the audience of F1.
When have you managed to make a valid point Mike?

I'm done with him. He has no point except for a feeble attempt to razz Nascar. He flies off on tangents (no one said Montoya won't be able to perform in NASCAR or was lacking skills).

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Uhm, the original post was poking fun at Montoya, stating that he has no NASCAR experience, and that there are other more experienced drivers that should fill the position first. I stuck up for the fact that he is a very experienced driver stepping down from the pinnicle of motorsports to NASCAR.
Secondly, most NASCAR drivers are not considered skilled enough to drive an F1 car in competition. Prove it
NASCAR may be growing quickly in the U.S., but worldwide it draws no where near the audience of F1. Prove it
When have you managed to make a valid point Mike?

You have no reading comprehension. I make a point in every post. Again, no one poked fun at Montoya and stating that he has no Nascar experience is not saying he won't be able to perform in NASCAR or was lacking skills. It's a fact. Pay closer attention please!!

I'll ask AGAIN for your stats on F1. I have done a couple searches now and cannot prove or disprove your claims.

"pinnacle of motorsports"