Never Trump Scholars DEMANDING Trump Be BANNED From Ballots Over DISQUALIFICATION

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somdwatch

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StmarysCity79 said:
Are you not paying attention?

Trump had his cronies send a slate of fake electors to Pence that he asked Pence to replace with the real ones. Once it was clear Pence would not go along with his scheme Trump then resorted to getting his followers to attack the capitol in a bid to create chaos that would delay the certification of the real electors and the election

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How the Trump fake electors scheme became a 'corrupt plan,' according to the indictment

The role fake electors played in Donald Trump’s desperate effort to cling to power after his 2020 election loss is at the center of a four-count indictment against the ex-president.
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And your handlers told you, "That's our story, go out and Copy and Paste it everywhere".

Your handlers are what is driving this country to a Banana Republic.
 
Hijinx

Hijinx

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Joe Biden's handlers. The handlers of the Democrat party.Citizens of this country are being handled and lead by people who seek power and wealth. American citizens are being sold out by Never-Trumpers, and the whole of the political strength of the dem. party I know many Democrats who are good people but they seem to have brain lock. They seem hypnotized into this woke BS and criminal actions of the democrat party.
In truth I don't know what the phuck is wrong with people who still support this mind crippled moron they call President.
 
Hijinx

Hijinx

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Ken King said:
Its time the parties are kicked out of politics, they are the majority of what ails this nation. Let the candidates build their own constituency void of all the labels and accompanying shenanigans. Let the representatives serve their people or states.
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The two parties we now have are definitely crippling America, on that I cannot help but agree.
But how do we kick parties out of politics.

If people group together to elect a candidate, what do we call them? Are they not a party? Didn't Hitler create a party?
How can anyone elect a person without support ? Many people who feel the same way
Without some sort of Financial and moral support the election becomes chaos.


IMO we do need parties. But the two we have have become corrupted with power, and bad leadership.
What we really need are politicians who are limited to terms of office.
Age limits, non-professional politicians.
What we don't need are Feinstein's, Hoyer's ,McConnell's ,Schmuck 's, Pelosi's and people who never did a days work in their lives who got into politics as a career. And a lot less Representatives who aren't lawyer's.
 
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StmarysCity79

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Ken King said:
Are you seriously that stupid? He is an elected official, not an "officer under the United States".

Are Senators and Representatives "officers under the United States"? If so, why were they specifically identified in the amendment?

I'll give you a clue, it is because they are elected officials and not appointed officers.

Biden, violating his oath of office would be grounds for impeachment and possible removal if convicted, it would not make him an "officer under the United States".
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You are a true sycophant.


Please read the constitution or at least listen to people better educate than you on the subject.
 
Grumpy

Grumpy

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StmarysCity79 said:
You are a true sycophant.
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StmarysCity79

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BOP said:
I could be wrong, but don't most insurrections involve guns and other weapons? I mean, that's the soft word we used to use for the Taliban and Isis, and all the other Towlies in the Middle East.

What weapons did they have that would have allowed them to seize control of the arguably most powerful nation on earth, and in history?

Besides cell phones, that is.
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Plenty there have been hundreds of weapons charges but i don't think Fox news has told you about them.

A Jan. 6 rioter who admitted he was armed with a concealed gun during the attack on the U.S. Capitol was found guilty Wednesday of all nine charges he faced.

Christopher Alberts, of Maryland, was arrested with a weapon on the night of Jan. 6, 2021, after having spent several hours on the Capitol grounds. He was wearing a gas mask and a protective vest and had a backpack containing ready-to-eat meals and other materials, including bungee cords.

a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.

Those weapons brought violence and chaos to the Capitol. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died one day after two rioters allegedly sprayed him and other officers with what prosecutors describe as an "unknown chemical substance." Four other people in the crowd died in the insurrection, and more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks.

www.nbcnews.com

Capitol rioter armed with gun on Jan. 6 is found guilty on all charges

Christopher Alberts had a gun on his hip when he charged up the stairs of the Capitol on Jan. 6, and he later yelled at police officers before he was arrested.
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Moerschel and Hackett helped amass guns and ammunition to stash in a Virginia hotel for a so-called “quick reaction force” that could be quickly shuttled to Washington, prosecutors said. The weapons were never deployed. Moerschel provided an AR-15 and a Glock semi-automatic handgun and Hackett helped transport weapons, prosecutors said.

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2 Oath Keepers who helped amass guns before Jan. 6 attack sentenced to prison

Two Florida men who stormed the U.S. Capitol with other members of the far-right Oath Keepers group were sentenced Friday to three years in prison for seditious conspiracy and other charges.
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StmarysCity79

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somdwatch said:
And your handlers told you, "That's our story, go out and Copy and Paste it everywhere".

Your handlers are what is driving this country to a Banana Republic.
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That is directly form the indictment and Pence's under oath testimony

Did you both to read it or did you just go off what Newsmax told you to think?
 
Ken King

Ken King

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StmarysCity79 said:
You are a true sycophant.
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And you are an idiot. Again the text of the XIV Amendment, Section 3 -
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
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If the intent was to include the President and Vice-President the language would be the same as the Impeachment clause of Article II, Section 4 were it states -
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
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Notice how the President and Vice President are separated from "all civil officers". The term "officers" appears 4 times in the Constitution of 1788. As noted above it appears in the impeachment clause, as well as the appointments clause, the oath clause, and the commissions clause. Never does it indicate that the President or Vice President are "officers".
StmarysCity79 said:
Please read the constitution or at least listen to people better educate than you on the subject.
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And maybe if you had been better educated you would realize that what you have been subjected to is indoctrination. And as to your advice on listening to people better educated, I have and they certainly aren't morons like you.
 
stgislander

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From a Reason Magazine article.
There is a recent Supreme Court opinion discussing the scope of the Constitution's "Officers of the United States"-language. In Free Enter. Fund v. Pub. Co. Accounting Oversight Bd. (2010), Chief Justice Roberts observed that "[t]he people do not vote for the 'Officers of the United States.'" Rather, "officers of the United States" are appointed exclusively pursuant to Article II, Section 2 procedures. It follows that the President, who is an elected official, is not an "officer of the United States."

Still, critics may argue that the meaning of the phrase "officer of the United States" in Section 3 is different from the meaning of the phrase "officers of the United States" in the Constitution's original seven articles. In other words, there was some linguistic drift or slippage between the 1788 ratification of the Constitution and the 1868 ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment. Let's assume that the President is not an "officer[] of the United States" for purposes of the 1788 Constitution. Under that assumption, it is possible that the President might be an "officer of the United States" for purposes of Section 3. Thus, a reader might take the limited position that the President is an "officer of the United States" for the purposes of Section 3.
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Is the President an “officer of the United States” for purposes of Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment?

Update: In December 2021, Seth and I published an article in the NYU Journal of Law & Liberty, based on this blog post. You can download our article
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StmarysCity79

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Ken King said:
And you are an idiot. Again the text of the XIV Amendment, Section 3 -

If the intent was to include the President and Vice-President the language would be the same as the Impeachment clause of Article II, Section 4 were it states -

Notice how the President and Vice President are separated from "all civil officers". The term "officers" appears 4 times in the Constitution of 1788. As noted above it appears in the impeachment clause, as well as the appointments clause, the oath clause, and the commissions clause. Never does it indicate that the President or Vice President are "officers".

And maybe if you had been better educated you would realize that what you have been subjected to is indoctrination. And as to your advice on listening to people better educated, I have and they certainly aren't morons like you.
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So who is the elector of President and Vice President in this quote?
 
Ken King

Ken King

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StmarysCity79 said:
So who is the elector of President and Vice President in this quote?
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They are those certified by the States to cast the ballots for the electoral college.
Article II, Section 1 - Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.
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