New library for Leonardtown - location?

bilbur

New Member
As someone who goes to the library, what are the main functions it serves? I'm curious. Since most people can do their research online, is it mainly used by people with minimal access from home? Do people still go there to research or pick up books?

I ask because I'm surprised there's any kind of discussion about spending money on a library in this day and age. What "additional building" (first post) is required for a library that has likely decreased in use over the past 10-15 years? I'm not saying spending money on a library is a bad idea, if there's good reason. I'm just wondering what the reason is.

I actually know a lot of people that use the library. My mom is there a few times a week to get books for the grandkids, older people I play golf with use it for internet access during the summer because they are in other states in the winter and don't want to pay for service here, and lets not forget the homeless using the bathroom and computers (lol). They also offer programs for young children during the day and older children in the summer. I am not sure how I feel about spending money on a new one, it does seem crowded every time I drive past but I can also see a decline in customers coming as the internet generation gets older. I do, however, think if they are building a new one it is a terrible idea to build it in town, if they put it on the Hayden property they would have room to do outside activities and programs for the kids.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
I am used to most libraries being built in downtown areas. It's convenient to be able to walk and get lunch and whatnot, but I can understand wanting it off of 245. Most small towns on the eastern shore have their libraries downtown and they are basically one of the main focal points of each town. I think they should either build fenwick extended for the downtown location or complete the rt 5 connection for leonards grant for the Hayden farm location. My only concern is that the Hayden farm location seems a bit more "sprawly". It might be nice if they could at least connect the Hayden farm property to downtown with sidewalks or paths along 245.

there is a segment of the population that lives in Leonardtown that would find the resources of the library useful. I know they don't exist in most people's eyes because they live out of site, blocks off the main drag. If this were the "big city" some would refer to it as "the projects'. But there are kids who could use the library after school but only if it were within safe walking distance.

For the person that asked about the library, my better half uses it for the old fashion purpose, she takes out books to read. Has an ereader and we certainly buy enough books - in fact we have made some donations to the library.
But she likes to pick up that book and read.
 

kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
The Leonardtown library has been in two re purposed buildings and both have failed in the long term. With the population of Leonardtown and surrounding areas growing, it is time to build a 21st century facility to meet the needs of this population. Combine the library with the new Garvey Center and boom, instant living history classes right next door to Dr. Seuss and James Patterson. The Hayden property is the most logical place for this facility, not the "recreation and education complex" that was an insert in last week's County Times.
 
I am so glad that the commissioners have agreed to build a new library in Leonardtown. The old one is too small, and has no land to be used for additional building.

There are two proposed sites for the new library. One is back in the area of Fenwick Street and Lawrence Avenue in downtown Leonardtown. In the County Times, Tommy McKay made the case for building it there. I believe he said that it would offer easy access from Fenwick Street, and Lawrence Avenue. Those streets are awfully narrow for the increased traffic that would come with putting the library back there! I wonder how the people that live along there feel about that. Also, there is an awful lot of traffic at the light at the corner of Route 245 and Rt. 5 now. This will only increase if the library is built further downtown. The article says there would be plenty of parking, but if the other two county libraries are any indication, there will not be enough parking. I'm not so sure that that is a good place for a library.

I think it would be easier to get to the library if it were build near the new elementary school on the Hayden property. Most of the people that use the current library drive to it themselves. They come from California, Hollywood, and the lower part of Mechanicsville. The Library Board wants the library built there as do many of those that work at the current library. They are the ones who know what is best for the new library because they are so intimately involved with the day-to-day operations.

As an add-on, I had to laugh when the article in the County Times said that if you are coming from the west, you could get to the library by boat. Just how many people would actually do that? Another humorous thing - building a convention center. I could be wrong, but who exactly would have need of a convention center way down here in St. Mary's?

Any-who, what do you think? Where should it go?

A very generous offer was made to donate the land for the library in town. 5 acres was the number mentioned at the county commissioner's meeting last week. The Leonardtown business association had several folks talk about what a boon it would be for the town to have it located there. Many others would prefer the 245 location.
So, here's what I think.

According to circulation statistics from the Leonardtown branch of the St. Mary's County Public Library, only 30% of those using library services are Leonardtown residents. Hollywood and California are responsible for most of the remaining 70%. A convenient site visible and accessible from a major artery in our county is essential for the many busy families that patronize this branch. Stopping in for storytime, picking up a book club novel, getting the kids there to work on research..the typical patron at this branch spends 20 mins, not hours.
A downtown site "sounds" lovely. Is it practical for the Leonardtown branch patron? No. Building the new facility downtown will not result in families strolling the downtown area, eating pricey food and browsing in boutiques.
I wonder if the donor of the downtown location would be this generous if they wasn't getting such a large tax write off for donating the land to a non profit organization?
Perhaps the land would be put to better use by building a family friendly restaurant with a small park.
Just some thoughts.
 

mitzi

Well-Known Member
Go with the Hayden property location. It's in close proximity to the current location so usage levels and accessibly are non-issues. The "downtown" location is too small. No thought about future expansion. Plus it relies on the idea of shared parking with the funeral home. That's a poor thought process in so many ways.

Mattingly's? Where are they proposing to build it, in that field where the 2 old farm houses were? I didn't read the County Times article. Lawrence Avenue does NOT need that traffic. Ridiculous. Too many neighborhood people walk around and as I've b*tched about before rarely anyone takes into consideration pedestrians when they don't live here.
 
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kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
Mattingly's? Where are they proposing to build it, in that field where the 2 old farm houses were? I didn't read the County Times article. Lawrence Avenue does NOT need that traffic. Ridiculous. Too many neighborhood people walk around and as I've b*tched about before rarely anyone takes into consideration pedestrians when they don't live here.

Yep M&G Funeral Home. The other parking would be that area behind Winegardner.
 

Restless

New Member
Mattingly's? Where are they proposing to build it, in that field where the 2 old farm houses were? I didn't read the County Times article. Lawrence Avenue does NOT need that traffic. Ridiculous. Too many neighborhood people walk around and as I've b*tched about before rarely anyone takes into consideration pedestrians when they don't live here.

Mitzi, you might want to let your neighbors know what is being planned there. Just the extra traffic alone would be cause for concern. I doubt many people would want that quiet neighborhood disturbed.

I noticed in the County Times the plan for Leonardtown is to build the new library and a convention center. Really? Really? A convention center? What's next - an airport? It also mentioned that another way to get to the library from the north would be by boat. I'm sure many people will dock at the wharf, walk up the big hill to the library to return a book or get a new one. I just don't see that happening.
 

ltown81

Member
It is a valid point about what are the future of libraries. I remember when I was a teenager 15 years ago, main reason for going to the library was the free internet..and every once in a while research for a paper. Mostly though the free internet.

Seems like anymore, even kids on free school lunch are running around with internet connected smart phones, and most families have access to a Kindle or whatever. Kids today are pretty much being raised in a connected age, and will not really be into physical books. So at what point does the library go from being a building with a bunch of books to being more a community center/glorified coffee house.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
It is a valid point about what are the future of libraries. I remember when I was a teenager 15 years ago, main reason for going to the library was the free internet..and every once in a while research for a paper. Mostly though the free internet.

Seems like anymore, even kids on free school lunch are running around with internet connected smart phones, and most families have access to a Kindle or whatever. Kids today are pretty much being raised in a connected age, and will not really be into physical books. So at what point does the library go from being a building with a bunch of books to being more a community center/glorified coffee house.

there will always be a segment of the reading population that likes the feel of a real book. Both young and old, sort of like vinyl records are making a comeback. Some people don't want digital music, they want the sounds from the record.
 

ltown81

Member
there will always be a segment of the reading population that likes the feel of a real book. Both young and old, sort of like vinyl records are making a comeback. Some people don't want digital music, they want the sounds from the record.

Yes, but is it a large enough segment to justify large use of public funds. Yes, people like vinyl, but record stores are not making a comeback.
 

bluetorch

Member
Yes, but is it a large enough segment to justify large use of public funds. Yes, people like vinyl, but record stores are not making a comeback.

Libraries aren't just about books, DVDs, and CDs. It's a community center. They offer free training and technology classes, internet access to those who can't afford a computer, resume assistance, advanced research tools that are only available to libraries and universities, reading to young ones, activities and programs for kids and teenagers, free movie nights, and much more. The Lexington Park library is the busiest library in the tri-county area. Check it out and you'll see why they are so important.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Libraries aren't just about books, DVDs, and CDs. It's a community center. They offer free training and technology classes, internet access to those who can't afford a computer, resume assistance, advanced research tools that are only available to libraries and universities, reading to young ones, activities and programs for kids and teenagers, free movie nights, and much more. The Lexington Park library is the busiest library in the tri-county area. Check it out and you'll see why they are so important.

I'm in there all the time, and you are right, the meeting rooms are always full, the computers in constant use, and I think it's location is important to that aspect. I would say a lot of Lex Parks traffic is pedestrian. And right now L-towns isn't, but how much of that is due to having to walk 1 mile or so to get to it?
 

mitzi

Well-Known Member
I just read the article in the Enterprise. One of town people said it would have 1000 visits per day. Lawrence Avenue can NOT handle 1000 vehicles on it per day. During the day hours you cannot even pull off of Lawrence Avenue to get on Route 5 (to make a left). The only safe way is to go up to the light by BurchMart. This is a bad idea.
 

Seahawk19

New Member
I'm not convinced parking is going to be a problem and I don't think traffic will either. I am concerned about putting a library so close to Duke elementary school. I'm not trying to get ripped for commenting on the homeless, but libraries do provide warmth during the winter and I'm not so sure Duke elementary wants that traffic. Save the land out on Hayden's farm for other projects (senior center, ball fields, anything that requires land) and take advantage of free land for a library.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
I'm not convinced parking is going to be a problem and I don't think traffic will either. I am concerned about putting a library so close to Duke elementary school. I'm not trying to get ripped for commenting on the homeless, but libraries do provide warmth during the winter and I'm not so sure Duke elementary wants that traffic. Save the land out on Hayden's farm for other projects (senior center, ball fields, anything that requires land) and take advantage of free land for a library.

but if you put the library outside the downtown area the riff raff will have more difficulty getting to the library. For sure we want to keep it away from the low income housing in Leonardtown, we don't want their type around a library.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
I'm not convinced parking is going to be a problem and I don't think traffic will either. I am concerned about putting a library so close to Duke elementary school. I'm not trying to get ripped for commenting on the homeless, but libraries do provide warmth during the winter and I'm not so sure Duke elementary wants that traffic. Save the land out on Hayden's farm for other projects (senior center, ball fields, anything that requires land) and take advantage of free land for a library.

Our local indigents do indeed frequent the Lex Park Librabry, and you know what trouble they cause? None that I'm aware of.
 

mitzi

Well-Known Member
I'm not convinced parking is going to be a problem and I don't think traffic will either. I am concerned about putting a library so close to Duke elementary school. I'm not trying to get ripped for commenting on the homeless, but libraries do provide warmth during the winter and I'm not so sure Duke elementary wants that traffic. Save the land out on Hayden's farm for other projects (senior center, ball fields, anything that requires land) and take advantage of free land for a library.

You're not convinced? Do you live on this street? If you don't, you can't say you don't think traffic will be a problem. There are tons of kids in Leonard's Freehold that would benefit from having the library within walking distance, that's the only bonus I see here. So it's okay for the homeless to go for warmth at the library if it's in town but not if it's near Duke Elementary? :doh: I guess the kids at Leonardtown Elementary don't count. If the homeless can get to one location, they can get to the other. They would probably have to have a ride or take STS. There aren't hordes of homeless people milling around the town and if there were, they would walk up to Hayden Farm to get warm, just as they could walk to the current location.
Please step outside of your bubble.
 

Restless

New Member
I drove down Lawrence Avenue yesterday to see where the new library would go there. There is NO WAY that little street could handle the additional traffic. Turning onto Lawrence Avenue from Route 5 heading north would be both dangerous and cause traffic to back up. The assurance that we could park in the Mattingly-Gardiner parking lot is generous, but what about when there is a funeral? Does it make sense to rely on that parking lot?
 
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