Nice to know ones enemy...

[sleuth]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
It just so happens that their agenda doesn't coincide with ours and, while we're content to let them be, they're not content to let us be.

I suspect that they feel our foreign occupation of countries all over the world is not "letting them be". Unfortunately, their agenda seems to encourage human rights violations, which, besides oil, seems to be the number one reason we're in those Muslim countries... especially before 9/11. Our agenda is to end those violations. Their agenda is to increase them.

Seems like that's where we can't agree...

besides the oil.

 

[SuperGrover]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
I don't believe the Arab citizens are evil at all - just their government and their brain-washing religious leaders. And, frankly, evil might not be a good word. They're just looking after their own interests, business as usual. It just so happens that their agenda doesn't coincide with ours and, while we're content to let them be, they're not content to let us be.

you mean the fanatics?

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by sleuth14
besides the oil.

They wouldn't even HAVE oil money if it weren't for us going over there and digging the crap up for them. The Arab governments don't have a problem with us with regard to oil - that's what keeps them in palaces and gold-plated Rolls Royces.

Then the Arab citizenry takes to the streets with protest signs saying "We hate America" because if they brandish signs that say "We hate the Saudi Royal Family", they're going to get their arms cut off.

The US coughs up buckage for these dictators to feed their people, but they spend it on weapons and palaces instead and just let the people starve. So that's somehow the US's fault.

Then the US says, "fine, we're not giving you anymore money" and, once again, the people take to the streets with their hate America crap because they're starving.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

These people are incredibly poor. They're underfed, undereducated and their government doesn't give a damn about them. So they have this seething hatred built up from years of degradation and they take it out on the US because they can't take it out on the ones responsible without getting tortured or killed.

 

[Hessian]

Vrai...brief, direct, and right on the money. Two things you wrote articulate an illusive thought that lingers in American Minds...especially:
We'll leave them alone, but they don't want to leave us alone.

Thoughts:
* They see our capitalism as taking advantage of their poverty stricken, manual- labor work force...while we live in relative comfort.
*They see our unwavering support of Israel as direct provocation of an illegal regime that abuses fellow moslems.
*They condemn our western media as being decadent and our images nothing short of graven images of idolatry...and these corrupt their beloved youth. (Look at the behavior of the 9/11 terrorists...drinking, prostitution, porn movies etc..proof that we easily corrupt their holy warriors)

Thus...we are incapable of "leaving them alone." and thus:
they don't want to leave us alone---we deserve enslavement and death.

Their choices? #1Continued poverty, disruption, jihad, hostility, factions and especially ISOLATION from the corrupt West.

OR

#2Cooperation, capitalism, trade, education for all, bodies of liberties, and connections with the West.

Sadly...I believe they'll choose #1 because it will fit better into their passion for Allah (may he be blessed ) and time will be the only agent that will elimate their radicals (all revolutions will eventually feed on their leaders)

 

[sleuth]

Originally posted by Hessian
Vrai...brief, direct, and right on the money. Two things you wrote articulate an illusive thought that lingers in American Minds...especially:
We'll leave them alone, but they don't want to leave us alone.

Thoughts:
* They see our capitalism as taking advantage of their poverty stricken, manual- labor work force...while we live in relative comfort.
*They see our unwavering support of Israel as direct provocation of an illegal regime that abuses fellow moslems.
*They condemn our western media as being decadent and our images nothing short of graven images of idolatry...and these corrupt their beloved youth. (Look at the behavior of the 9/11 terrorists...drinking, prostitution, porn movies etc..proof that we easily corrupt their holy warriors)

Thus...we are incapable of "leaving them alone." and thus:
they don't want to leave us alone---we deserve enslavement and death.

Their choices? #1Continued poverty, disruption, jihad, hostility, factions and especially ISOLATION from the corrupt West.

OR

#2Cooperation, capitalism, trade, education for all, bodies of liberties, and connections with the West.

Sadly...I believe they'll choose #1 because it will fit better into their passion for Allah (may he be blessed ) and time will be the only agent that will elimate their radicals (all revolutions will eventually feed on their leaders)

I think that's the best I've ever seen it put.

 

[Tonio]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
These people are incredibly poor. They're underfed, undereducated and their government doesn't give a damn about them. So they have this seething hatred built up from years of degradation and they take it out on the US because they can't take it out on the ones responsible without getting tortured or killed.

That definitely makes sense.