No-kill shelters hurtful to animals?

MLGTS08

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SAN ANTONIO, Texas (AP) -- In the old lobby of the city-run animal shelter, a cheerful-looking sign written in neon pink, blue and yellow delivers a somber message: In a week's time, 1,004 dogs and cats were brought in and 925 were killed.San Antonio's Animal Care Services wants to turn those numbers around by converting to a "no-kill" facility, meaning all animals deemed healthy or treatable would stay at the shelter until adopted. The program is to be phased in by 2012...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/08/13/no.kill.shelters.ap/index.html?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail

What does everyone think? :popcorn:
 

vraiblonde

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MLGTS08 said:
all animals deemed healthy or treatable would stay at the shelter until adopted.
And if they're not adopted...what? They just sit in a cage until they croak of old age?

I think no-kill shelters are inhumane.
 

Debbie92454

New Member
No kill shelters

The problem is not with the shelters, but with pet owners themselves. I have had many cats during my lifetime and when I could not take care of them any more due to having to move and no one wanted them there, I found them good homes, not the shelter. I also have had the cats fixed so no more population. I have also had several puppies and dogs and we asked the new owners to please have them fixed, I do not know if they did, but at least I tried. Where I live none I have bascially adopted three outside cats. The previous owners just left and never tried to find them a home. I have had them fixed and shots are up to date. People need to realize that animals need care and that just walking out on them is inhumane. Cats and dogs can also get HIV and transmitt it to other cats and dogs. Being a responsible pet owner is the key. I guess I am just a pet lover. I also have birds in my home and three fish tanks. Animals need space and keeping them caged up is cruel. Would any of us like to be caged or left behind, I think not.
 

Toxick

Splat
If only animals were equipped with some sort of claw or teeth shaped defenses, they could probably be released where they could be free and hunt for their food - if only there were such a places on earth....


Nah - it's better to just gas the ####ers or keep 'em in a cage until they rot to death.
 

ginwoman

Well-Known Member
Sometimes I think it would be better in the long run for the animals to be put to sleep. Only because the thought of them just sitting in a cage is so horrible. I recently adopted a beautiful poodle that someone had turned into the shelter. It blows my mind that someone could have raised him for a couple years, then took him to the pound.
 

jetmonkey

New Member
ginwoman said:
Sometimes I think it would be better in the long run for the animals to be put to sleep. Only because the thought of them just sitting in a cage is so horrible. I recently adopted a beautiful poodle that someone had turned into the shelter. It blows my mind that someone could have raised him for a couple years, then took him to the pound.
That's how I got my Damnatian.
 
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Mousebaby

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What if there was a middle of the road type shelter. One that would keep the animal there for a year and if it had shown no promise of ever being adopted would then be put to sleep humanely. It seems to be a simple solution to the overcrowding and it gives that animal a good chance of being readopted within that year. I think this would be the perfect solution. JMHO :howdy:
 

bernsm

Member
No-kill shelters often work closely with the community by utilizing numerous foster homes as an alternative to kenneling. For example, a dog may need to spend the first couple of weeks in the shelter until a foster home opens up. While in his foster home, he gets more training and learns some houses manners thus making him more adoptable. These dogs and cats are then brought back on adoption days to meet the public in hopes of finding a new home.

No-kill shelters also attract more volunteers. People volunteer more readily knowing that the next time they show up to work, they won't be told the animal they took for a walk last week was euthanized due to lack of space. With the extra volunteers, the dogs and cats get a lot more attention and quality time with humans than they might in a kill-shelter.

Unfortunately there is no perfect solution but a no-kill shelter does not necessarily mean an animal is sentenced to a life in a caged environment.
 

tdjbubbles

New Member
ginwoman said:
Sometimes I think it would be better in the long run for the animals to be put to sleep. Only because the thought of them just sitting in a cage is so horrible. I recently adopted a beautiful poodle that someone had turned into the shelter. It blows my mind that someone could have raised him for a couple years, then took him to the pound.

That's how I got my boxer, everyday I look at him and how sweet and loveable he is and can't imagine my life without him, I don't know how anyone could have given him up!
 

ginwoman

Well-Known Member
jetmonkey said:
That's how I got my Damnatian.


Damnatian???????? ha ha :lmao:

the day I was picking up my poodle, a guy was turning in a young brown doberman. I'm not a doberman person, but I felt so bad for that dog. It looked to be pure bred.
 

action jackson

New Member
we have become a disposable society. I have made few committments in my life except for with my pets- who were all rescued and unwanted. They brought- and the current ones bring joy to my life that few people have been able to do (although I AM happily married!)
Too many people can leave their pets behind without a conscience or give them away because they are moving. What BS! Some people should not be allowed to *own* animals.
I Attend a lot of local animal rescue events and donate much money to the cause; particularly to spay and neuter. I admire the pure and sincere dediaction of the volunteers and plan to go full tilt when I retire.
 

navigator

Member
Unintended Consequences



By Craig Brestrup


Few would question the good intentions of people working in animal shelters. For the most part they are deeply devoted to the animals and deeply concerned at the careless and exploitative treatment these innocent creatures often experience in our culture.


Even so, any of us can be subject to blind spots - especially when we're dealing with long traditions and fixed certainties about the way things are. And well-meant actions can have unintended consequences. Shelters with "open doors" and "full service" are subject to at least three kinds of these counter-productive consequences.




A fundamental contradiction

First, there's a basic discrepancy between the words and the actions of a "full service" shelter. Animal welfarists commonly speak of the preciousness - the intrinsic value - of animals' lives. Yet their shelters are the place where healthy animals are daily killed, and people bring animals there knowing this. This leads to diminished credibility and effectiveness in the shelters' education programs.


Can we believe that this contradiction between affirming words and deadly deeds does not register on the public and very seriously dilute the intended communication? It amounts to a double message, and people typically respond to such messages by selecting the part most compatible with their own desires and ignoring the rest.




The "disposability" paradox

The second unintended consequence concerns animal welfare's condemnation of people who treat animals as disposable items.


Shelters with so-called full services operate on the assumption that if they did not faithfully take animals in they would subject them to "fates worse than death" at the hands of their guardians. So to prevent possible suffering, these shelters receive them even when full and "euthanize" the surplus.


But isn't it likely that by offering convenient "rescuing" of guardian-relinquished animals such shelters inadvertently reinforce the very disposability syndrome they condemn? Not only reinforce - they enable and facilitate the disposal of companion animals.


We have here another mixed message: ready receiving of animals being abandoned by their former companions while verbally rejecting the notion that such disposing of animals is a proper thing to do. What should the public believe?




Never having to say No

The final unintended consequence of traditional shelter practices is that there is less motivation to change - to search for promising alternatives.


Killing the excess preserves the balance between live animals and the numbers of available homes and shelter spaces. Very efficient - and it works too well. Shelter workers do not have to face the anxiety of saying no to a relinquisher and of helping that person find an alternative. They believe they are preventing suffering by killing and that is their priority. Moreover, the streets are cleared of strays, and the animals' guardians have a way of abandoning their animals without being stigmatized. And since those doing the disposing are animal welfarists, the people abandoning their animals don't have to feel the guilt that would be entirely appropriate at killing their pet. After all, haven't they gone to the trouble of placing their animals in the hands of animal welfare?


There's a fundamental incoherence in all this. Worst of all, it simply prolongs the problems afflicting animals. If shelters speak double messages, their educational intent becomes frustrated. If shelters are making it easier and more guilt-free for people to dispose of their animals, then both the suffering and the killing will continue.


The killing solution to the problem of surplus animals drains away pressure for the public and animal caretakers to change their ways, and the victims can have little hope for respite from human irresponsibility.


Open doors and killing rooms were well intended and, in many times and places, unavoidable. But in our own time, they have the opposite of their intended effects. We can do better than this, and the energy and dedication of the many good people working at shelters can be applied on behalf of real animal welfare.
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
vraiblonde said:
And if they're not adopted...what? They just sit in a cage until they croak of old age?

I think no-kill shelters are inhumane.
I agree, strave to death, be locked in a cage forever, or a nice peacful sleep....

you animal nazis need to wake up. animals die, people die, everything dies, get over it!
 

keekee

Well-Known Member
Mousebaby said:
What if there was a middle of the road type shelter. One that would keep the animal there for a year and if it had shown no promise of ever being adopted would then be put to sleep humanely. It seems to be a simple solution to the overcrowding and it gives that animal a good chance of being readopted within that year. I think this would be the perfect solution. JMHO :howdy:

From original post: "In a week's time, 1,004 dogs and cats were brought in".

So after 1 year, that would be 52,208 animals. That would have to be a mighty big shelter.

Unfortunately, that is precisely why there HAS to be shelters that humanely euthanize. While we can go into a million ways that the problem could be lessened, right now - the problem exists... and animals must be euthanized. There is just no other way to deal with the numbers.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
MLGTS08 said:
SAN ANTONIO, Texas (AP) -- In the old lobby of the city-run animal shelter, a cheerful-looking sign written in neon pink, blue and yellow delivers a somber message: In a week's time, 1,004 dogs and cats were brought in and 925 were killed.San Antonio's Animal Care Services wants to turn those numbers around by converting to a "no-kill" facility, meaning all animals deemed healthy or treatable would stay at the shelter until adopted. The program is to be phased in by 2012...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/08/13/no.kill.shelters.ap/index.html?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail

What does everyone think? :popcorn:
OK, so they bring in the first say 50 animals, and their facility is full.. what do they do with the other 994 animals that they would get?

Sorry ma'm, I understand you have a Pit Bull at your door and you can't get out of your house, but our facility is full. Do you have any small children that run slower than you??
 
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