No! No!
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giggles04
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Bruzilla
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After the way that the Clintons dragged her name through the mud, who would hire her???
Larry Gude
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Bruz...
...people, not including the women’s rights groups, have been trying to make that very point for over 10 years, the damage defamation does. The apologists see clearly how it hurts Bubba but not those he attacks. How convenient.
The Clintons didn't say "Yeah, Bill used the power of his offices, from Guv to Prez, to get chicks in the rack. Guess we'll all just have to move on."
They said things like "Liar", "Trailer park trash", "Opportunist", "Stalker", "VRWC", "Bill is the victim here".
Then, when that didn't work, when it became obvious that he violated peoples rights, they tried "it was just sex".
They labeled people. They branded them in very negative lights. They defamed. They threatened and bullied. They coerced. That is one of the true vulgarities of them. A simple "I am sorry. I shouldn't have done X" only comes after trying mightily to destroy people has failed.
It's an amazing case study in screwed up people. Hell, they started running for President on 60 minutes letting it be known that there were problems. Most everyone took it at face value and let it go. It's their problem. So, what do they do instead of "Oops, it happened again. However, it's none of your business"?
They go about what most psychos do; deny and blame somebody else.
Isn't it stunning? Negative stereotypes of minorities and homosexuals are not socially acceptable anymore, largely through the efforts of liberal democrats.
But they still approve of attacking women.
...people, not including the women’s rights groups, have been trying to make that very point for over 10 years, the damage defamation does. The apologists see clearly how it hurts Bubba but not those he attacks. How convenient.
The Clintons didn't say "Yeah, Bill used the power of his offices, from Guv to Prez, to get chicks in the rack. Guess we'll all just have to move on."
They said things like "Liar", "Trailer park trash", "Opportunist", "Stalker", "VRWC", "Bill is the victim here".
Then, when that didn't work, when it became obvious that he violated peoples rights, they tried "it was just sex".
They labeled people. They branded them in very negative lights. They defamed. They threatened and bullied. They coerced. That is one of the true vulgarities of them. A simple "I am sorry. I shouldn't have done X" only comes after trying mightily to destroy people has failed.
It's an amazing case study in screwed up people. Hell, they started running for President on 60 minutes letting it be known that there were problems. Most everyone took it at face value and let it go. It's their problem. So, what do they do instead of "Oops, it happened again. However, it's none of your business"?
They go about what most psychos do; deny and blame somebody else.
Isn't it stunning? Negative stereotypes of minorities and homosexuals are not socially acceptable anymore, largely through the efforts of liberal democrats.
But they still approve of attacking women.
SmallTown
Football season!
Who??? We're in the united states of america. A place where shows like Beavis And ButtHead, Southpark, Temtation Island, etc run (or use to run) all the time. Heck, look at hillary's book...
I think she could make a fine living in the book writing business, or perhaps in the reality TV show business on Fox.
Dymphna
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It was Carville & Stephanopoulos' job to portray Flowers in a negative light. That is what "spin doctors" do. They make their candidate look good by making everyone else look bad. If Flowers didn't want to be ripped apart by the Clinton gang, she should've kept her mouth shut about the affair. She was looking for money by telling her story and she got it. She was looking for her 15 minutes of fame and she got it. There are lots of jobs she could get, look at Lewinsky and her stupid show. Flowers' 15 minutes is up, she's looking for 15 more.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
OMG...
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I'm stunned.
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I'm stunned.
Make that a double. CMac, I generally like you but that statement was a little bit much for me. I'd go off on you but, frankly, I'm speechless.
Dymphna
Loyalty, Friendship, Love
I don't know why you have a problem with what I said.
It's Flowers' right to stand up and speak the truth. But I don't believe she had the noble motive of enlightening the American people. I'm too cynical for that. She wanted the spotlight, she got it. Did she really expect everyone would say, "Oh that poor woman, she was used by the horrible womanizer" Did she really expect that Clinton and his people weren't going to call her a slut and otherwise attack her character? She knew he was married, she can't have expected the governor was going to leave his wife and his political career for her?
She made the decision to go public. She knew there were people who wouldn't like it. She knew there were people, not only in Clinton's camp, but in the press, who would dig up every bit of dirt they could find on her. It may not be fair for her to be punished for telling the truth but nobody said life was fair. I fully believe that she went to Clinton and/or his cronies and asked for money to keep her mouth shut, they declined because they figured they could discredit her. She made good on her threats, they made good on theirs. She got famous (or infamous) and she got money for interviews, etc. And I really believe she misses the spotlight and is seeking to get more attention.
She had information that the American public was intitled to but I stand by my statement that if she wanted to avoid the hassle, she could've keep her mouth shut.
It's Flowers' right to stand up and speak the truth. But I don't believe she had the noble motive of enlightening the American people. I'm too cynical for that. She wanted the spotlight, she got it. Did she really expect everyone would say, "Oh that poor woman, she was used by the horrible womanizer" Did she really expect that Clinton and his people weren't going to call her a slut and otherwise attack her character? She knew he was married, she can't have expected the governor was going to leave his wife and his political career for her?
She made the decision to go public. She knew there were people who wouldn't like it. She knew there were people, not only in Clinton's camp, but in the press, who would dig up every bit of dirt they could find on her. It may not be fair for her to be punished for telling the truth but nobody said life was fair. I fully believe that she went to Clinton and/or his cronies and asked for money to keep her mouth shut, they declined because they figured they could discredit her. She made good on her threats, they made good on theirs. She got famous (or infamous) and she got money for interviews, etc. And I really believe she misses the spotlight and is seeking to get more attention.
She had information that the American public was intitled to but I stand by my statement that if she wanted to avoid the hassle, she could've keep her mouth shut.
Yes, it does, but that's what our sexual harrassment laws are supposed to prevent - powerful people getting the upper hand over powerless ones. Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky's reputations and lives were irrevocably altered. Clinton had the power of the federal government behind him - he could send his minions out to trash these women's reputations, have the IRS audit them, whatever and there wasn't a damn thing they could do about it.
Look at what happened to Linda Tripp. Go ahead, say it - "Eeeew! That ugly bag!" And that's my point. She came forward and did the right thing...and paid a hefty public price. If you knew a crime was committed (and yes, perjury is a crime) wouldn't you come forward? Not after seeing what happened to Linda you wouldn't.
That's how corruption happens. Powerful people have the wherewithal to ruin the lives of anyone who dares speak out. So people don't speak out anymore because they're afraid.
It does in fact take two to tango. But the women paid the price and the man got off scot free. It's the way it is but it doesn't make it right.
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
If I remember correctly...
Linda Tripp forced her hand, so to speak, and Ken Starr's investigators used a little leverage on her, and she fessed up.
The others, like Gennifer Flowers, in particular, maybe got a might upset, when, during a softballed-televised interview he was aksed to respond to rumors of extramarital shenanigans, he patently denied them. If she did in fact have a 12 year affair with our past presidential prevaricator, one could certainly see where she might have reached the boiling point, and beyond.
Paula Jones, another victim in Slick Willie's past was supposedly invited up to a hotel room, recieved a surprising exposure, and promptly got a first hand look at Willie's Wonka up close....so close she said she could distinguish it from any other.
But that too, was simply dismissed as a lie, albeit of the non-vast right wing conspiracy.
And yet Hillary claims not to have known of any of this in all those years together; either before the presidency or during his governorship in Arkansas! But that's a whole 'nuther story.
.....Monica did not want any of these stories made public. She was perfectly happy with the status quo. Whatever consensual sexual activities she and Slick Willie enjoyed together were okey- dokey with her.
Linda Tripp forced her hand, so to speak, and Ken Starr's investigators used a little leverage on her, and she fessed up.
The others, like Gennifer Flowers, in particular, maybe got a might upset, when, during a softballed-televised interview he was aksed to respond to rumors of extramarital shenanigans, he patently denied them. If she did in fact have a 12 year affair with our past presidential prevaricator, one could certainly see where she might have reached the boiling point, and beyond.
Paula Jones, another victim in Slick Willie's past was supposedly invited up to a hotel room, recieved a surprising exposure, and promptly got a first hand look at Willie's Wonka up close....so close she said she could distinguish it from any other.
But that too, was simply dismissed as a lie, albeit of the non-vast right wing conspiracy.
And yet Hillary claims not to have known of any of this in all those years together; either before the presidency or during his governorship in Arkansas! But that's a whole 'nuther story.
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Bruzilla
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I'm pretty disappointed in some of the posts to this string. Talk about blaming the victim. The issue is not who talked first or why they talked. The point is the blatant personal attacks that follow, for no other reason than to destroy a person's credibility instead of admitting guilt. That's the real offense here.
As for employment, I again ask who would hire her? Unless you're some TV show producer who's looking to score some big bucks on a one-shot reality show, who's going to hire her after hearing all the talk and innuendo that were made about her? I don't blame her one bit for wanting to prove she told the truth.
As for employment, I again ask who would hire her? Unless you're some TV show producer who's looking to score some big bucks on a one-shot reality show, who's going to hire her after hearing all the talk and innuendo that were made about her? I don't blame her one bit for wanting to prove she told the truth.
SmallTown
Football season!
But they aren't telling the truth about stealing a piece of bubble gum from the corner store. It is about messing around with a married president. They actually think by going public with it makes it "ok"?
We're not blaming the "victim", we are pointing out the players in the game.
We're not blaming the "victim", we are pointing out the players in the game.
Actually, with Paula Jones it was about setting the record straight when that trooper disparaged her in print, if you care to remember. I fully believe she was encouraged by the VRWC - that they got wind she existed and trotted her out. So what? She still, in fact, existed. She didn't have an affair with Bill Clinton - she was drug up to his hotel room by state troopers and propositioned by our Flasher-in-Chief.
We won't even get into Ken Starr and that whole disgusting character assasination. But suffice to say that it wasn't only women who were the victims of the Willie Jeff machine.
ST and CMac, it makes me sick to think that there are people who condone the powerful victimizing the powerless. That's not what America is supposed to be about.
ST, if you'd have said that to me in person, I'd have slapped your face for you. You have no idea what kind of person Gennifer Flowers is. You only know the line the Clintonistas put out. You don't know anything about this woman other than that she had an affair with the Governor of Arkansas, who later became President. She may be a perfectly nice person, smart, generous, a good friend. But all you see is "trailer trash" because that's what your media told you to see.
SmallTown
Football season!
Don't be so naive, vrai. The powerful get to be powerful by way of victimizing the less powerful. Happens all the time. Not saying I agree with it, but saying that isn't what America is about is one of the blindest comments I have ever heard on here. Oh sure, they use other terms aside from "victimize" since that is such an ugly word, but still all the same.
But I don't understand the whole innocent victim thing.
She had an AFFAIR with a married person, one who happens to be in power. And because of the way clinton handled the situation, she is now mother theresa? I think not. Like I said, you dance with the devil, you're bound to get burned.
Dymphna
Loyalty, Friendship, Love
I never said I condoned it, I just recognize it as a fact of life. Like the famous quote, "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."
Last I checked, Flowers was a willing particpant in the affair. She entered the game on her own. I never said anything about Paula Jones, that's a different issue, even if I have a hard time believing the "poor little me" attitude.