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Penn

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Actually, with Paula Jones it was about setting the record straight when that trooper disparaged her in print, if you care to remember. I fully believe she was encouraged by the VRWC - that they got wind she existed and trotted her out. So what?
We won't even get into Ken Starr and that whole disgusting character assasination. But suffice to say that it wasn't only women who were the victims of the Willie Jeff machine.

ST and CMac, it makes me sick to think that there are people who condone the powerful victimizing the powerless. That's not what America is supposed to be about.

ST, if you'd have said that to me in person, I'd have slapped your face for you. You have no idea what kind of person Gennifer Flowers is. You only know the line the Clintonistas put out.
Bravo!

Something else to consider: In our government we have what's known as "checks and balances". The Legislative, the Judicial Branch , and the Executive Branch all keep each other honest - so to speak.

So who speaks for the little guy, the common man when he or she gets wronged by the powerful, the rich?

Your only real option is the police, who then have to give up the information to the media. But of course if the media is in the pocket of the Executive branch - read liberal bias/favoritism, whatever form it takes, then the rest of us get only the truth they want us to hear.

And that truth did not smell right for eight years.
 

Larry Gude

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So let's see...

...what other rights should anyone who comes into contact with the Clintons lose?

I never said I condoned it, I just recognize it as a fact of life. Like the famous quote, "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."

Don't be so naive, vrai. The powerful get to be powerful by way of victimizing the less powerful. Happens all the time. Not saying I agree with it, but saying that isn't what America is about is one of the blindest comments I have ever heard on here

But I don't understand the whole innocent victim thing.

Like I said, you dance with the devil, you're bound to get burned

The other night on Larry King, Clinton said "We need to root for America on this one, Larry..." I actually sat back and thought 'who in the hell is "we"?

Profoundly different views of the world. It helps to get insightful comments like these to get a feel for where the concept of rooting for a Hussein over a US comes from. It's of a mindset it seems.
 

Penn

Dancing Up A Storm
Re: So let's see...

Originally posted by Larry Gude
[BThe other night on Larry King, Clinton said "We need to root for America on this one, Larry..." I actually sat back and thought 'who in the hell is "we"?

Profoundly different views of the world. It helps to get insightful comments like these to get a feel for where the concept of rooting for a Hussein over a US comes from. It's of a mindset it seems. [/B]
Heck, if you think that's bad, go look at my thread posted about Ann Coulter's July 24th article.

All our leftist democrapic contenders feel that way.
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by SmallTown
Don't be so naive, vrai. The powerful get to be powerful by way of victimizing the less powerful.
That's :bs:. Bill Gates is powerful and who did he victimize? George Bush is President of the United States - who did he victimize?
She had an AFFAIR with a married person, one who happens to be in power. And because of the way clinton handled the situation, she is now mother theresa?
Nobody's saying she's Mother Theresa - I'm just saying that she's probably not the demon bimbo slut whore bad human being that the Clinton crew and the media made her out to be.

And, yeah, she had a judgement lapse. So did Bill Clinton. However HE was the one who broke his marriage vows, yet you're willing to say it's "just sex" about him. SHE, on the other hand, broke no vow and cheated on no one, yet she's a villain of the first order. Your double standard is incredible and the sad thing is you don't even seem to see it.
 

SmallTown

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
And, yeah, she had a judgement lapse. So did Bill Clinton. However HE was the one who broke his marriage vows, yet you're willing to say it's "just sex" about him. SHE, on the other hand, broke no vow and cheated on no one, yet she's a villain of the first order. Your double standard is incredible and the sad thing is you don't even seem to see it.

Double standard? How so?? Yea. I can see where my talk about having an affair, takes two to tango, and dancing with the devil could seem as if i'm glossing over clinton's behavior :rolleyes:
 

Larry Gude

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OMG!

He's right!

Google said "Bill's victims"

"Paula...trailer trash"
"Tripp...traitor, ugly girl"
Wiley...nice boobs, hubby is a stiff"
"Brown...knew when to open and/or shut her mouth"
Ms. Arkansas...nice teeth"
"Brodderick...frigid"
"Monica...freaky"

Oh, wait...I forgot to add "Gates"...

searching...
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by SmallTown
Do a simple search under google.
Easier to tell me to search Google than to admit you don't know, isn't it?

I'll give you a hand: Netscape. They, after all, are the ones that brought the anti-trust suit against Microsoft. And they were so victimized that they had to sell their company for $4.2 BILLION. I wish Microsoft would come victimize me!!!
 

SmallTown

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Easier to tell me to search Google than to admit you don't know, isn't it?

I'll give you a hand: Netscape. They, after all, are the ones that brought the anti-trust suit against Microsoft. And they were so victimized that they had to sell their company for $4.2 BILLION. I wish Microsoft would come victimize me!!!

But you're also missing the most obvious victim. The users.
The anti-trust case was only the beginning, and it also spurned on the development of other lawsuits against microsoft.

This is an interesting topic for me since windows first came about when I was first getting involved with computers. The beginning of microsoft and the windows software we have become attached to are all a result of microsoft strongarming the competition. Like I said, "victimizing" isn't the world that is often used... And some, such as xerox, were "willing victims", laughing at what their engineers called a "windows" system. They sold it to apple, and with it gave up a few engineers. Then we all know that microsoft jumped all over the apple ideas. Steve Jobs was/is a visionary, but at the time his vision was distorted by power and greed, and a little "old fashion business practices". He honestly felt that working, working, working to put out a good system would be good enough. he didn't consider the competition at the time. He felt his hard work and vision of a "windowing" system would revolutionize the industry. And it did, only it wasn't his solution that ultimately paved the way. And this was just the beginning. Microsoft has strong armed the competition, as well as the consumers, to create the giant you see today. Some of their early licensing issues for DOS were rather interesting. Again, the notion of "willing victims" come into play, where as their license agreement stated that companies that sold computers which had DOS had to pay a royalty to them, even if the system didn't deploy with DOS... And apple was stupid. They actually agreed to what the MS lawyers put forth: that ms would nto use apple code or ideas in windows 1.0. But it said nothing about future releases... And we all know what win95 looked like. Something like this would never happend today. Or would it? This is eerily similar to the notion put forth by microsoft that if you sell a windows based machine, you will have to have IE installed as well.

As a business-minded person, I can admire the ultimate success of microsoft, but you can't admire it without knowing, if only in the back of your mind, just how they got there. Much like politics, business can be dirty and isn't for the faint of heart. Which is why with all the software guys and software companies out there, there is only one Bill Gates and only one Microsoft.
 

vraiblonde

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Which is why with all the software guys and software companies out there, there is only one Bill Gates and only one Microsoft.
:bs: Taken a peek at AOL lately? Wonder why nobody's filing anti-trust suits against them?
But you're also missing the most obvious victim. The users.
If you can show me where Bill Gates held a gun to anyone's head and forced them to use Windows, I'll believe he victimizes his users. If you can also show me where he's used his power to malign someone and ruin their reputation, I'll eat my words.

Why don't you tackle George Bush - he's the most powerful man in the US, if not the world. Maybe it would be easier to find some of his victims.
 

SmallTown

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AOL is completely different, if you can't understand the reasoning, I can see why you don't understand this entire argument. You must be new to the computing world (last 10 years or so?). Otherwise you would fully understand where microsoft came from, and how they got to where they are today, at the expense of companies such as Apple. If you just look back at windows from version 95, you'll see (if you look into it) MS raraly puts original ideas into their software, which is odd considering their hude R&D budget.

But again, I ask to read about the history and dealings of MS in the early days to understand how the users have been monopolized into going with the MS products. Take the DOS example... They received royalties for ANY computer that went out, even if it didn't have DOS on it. Sure, seems like a stupid idea on the computer manufacturers, but who would have thought it would snowball into what you have today... Since they were having to pay MS anyways, it didn't make much business sense to put out other OS's... Even from the early DOS days, MS has NEVER put out a superior OS. There very "popular QDOS (Quick and dirty OS) was bought for 50K then licensed it to IBM which was dumb enough to go along with it. But IBM was desperate, so there you go.
 

vraiblonde

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if you can't understand the reasoning, I can see why you don't understand this entire argument.
The sign of a vapid argument - "If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you."

Apple was hurt by it's own stupidity and lack of business acumen. Not to mention their marketing ignorance. Steve Jobs is an idealistic hippie - Case and Gates are businessmen. It's hardly Bill Gates' fault that Jobs didn't want to get his hands dirty with commerce and strategic alliances. So if Apple is a victim of anything, it's of their own immature business practices. Hell, even those uber-hippies, Ben and Jerry, were smart enough to strategically market their product.
 

SmallTown

Football season!
Originally posted by vraiblonde
The sign of a vapid argument - "If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you."

Apple was hurt by it's own stupidity and lack of business acumen. Not to mention their marketing ignorance. Steve Jobs is an idealistic hippie - Case and Gates are businessmen. It's hardly Bill Gates' fault that Jobs didn't want to get his hands dirty with commerce and strategic alliances. So if Apple is a victim of anything, it's of their own immature business practices. Hell, even those uber-hippies, Ben and Jerry, were smart enough to strategically market their product.

Oh for christ's sake vrai, fine... You want be to be foxnews and spoon feed you. AOL is a portal, a way to access the internet along with other useful features. Software isn't developed around it's architecture, and they develop their software to work with certain OS's... Since other software doesn't rely on it directly, you can easliy move from one portal to the next and still have your software work. an OS and internet portal are obviously two different things.
Gates a businessman? Sure he is now... But he was back then your basic underachieving brainiac, who dropped out of harvard because he was bored, and hacked away on computers all the time. Who would have thought this group would create something so big?

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Larry Gude

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Straw dog...

...this whole MS issue.

Clintons character assassins, enablers and blue meanies vs. Bill Gates opportunism are un-related; that dog won't hunt.

If we start with Sun and move up the food chain and timeline, the story is well known. Bill Gates is a villian to many because he made a career of picking up other peoples trash and refused to do the same things, give away business.

The entire economic engine of the 90's is due to having one major OS, Windows. Absent that we're still doing double entry book keeping by hand and typing letters. Good or bad? Depends.

IBM didn't see it.
Apple saw part of it.
Gates saw the big picture.
 
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