No tipping movement in Seattle due to $15 min wage

[Larry Gude]

With only a bachelor of science degree?.... My niece received her BS in Biology last spring and just started at her new position teaching High School Biology. The county she works for starts teachers with BS degree at $36,700.

Yeah, I just asked my buddy. The guys he's hiring are for sales jobs. Their degrees are helpful to be able to relate to the customers, but not mandatory. One kid is going into his second year and will make $75 this year, with commissions. Probably 100 next year. Base is only $30-40 I am surprised. He said gotta have advanced degrees to do well IN lab.

 

[vraiblonde]

You think that's a lot of money?

For a part time job, it's fantastic.

Here, while what you say is true -- lots of money can be made if you're good -- these generally are not career-oriented options. They are typically stepping stones to something else.

That's because, for some reason, we don't appreciate and respect the people who bring us food and beverages so that we can have a pleasant evening out. To us, waiting tables is a lowly profession...even though they do way more for us than doctors or lawyers. Or politicians.

Maybe politicians should have to work for tips. Better yet, doctors. If a waitress took 45 minutes to acknowledge your existence you'd be pissed, but doctors routinely keep their customers waiting for long periods of time and everyone still goes back to them.

Oh, and it is my understanding from friends who've been there that French waiters are highly arrogant and do not "serve" in any meaningful manner, nor do they feel the need to treat you with any sort of courtesy. Which is what happens when your pay isn't determined by your customers.

 

[Larry Gude]

Oh, and it is my understanding from friends who've been there that French waiters are highly arrogant and do not "serve" in any meaningful manner, nor do they feel the need to treat you with any sort of courtesy. Which is what happens when you're French.

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[GURPS]

Maybe politicians should have to work for tips. Better yet, doctors. If a waitress took 45 minutes to acknowledge your existence you'd be pissed, but doctors routinely keep their customers waiting for long periods of time and everyone still goes back to them.

Doctors and Politicians should get $ 2.01 hr Tip wages [1980's tip wages]

 

[LibertyBeacon]

For a part time job, it's fantastic.



That's because, for some reason, we don't appreciate and respect the people who bring us food and beverages so that we can have a pleasant evening out. To us, waiting tables is a lowly profession...even though they do way more for us than doctors or lawyers. Or politicians.

Maybe, but service industry employees are generally among the most poorly treated by an entitled public. Wait staff aren't any less respected that anyone else in the service industry. My daughter worked at Macy's and Barney's in customer service in Manhattan while she was in school there, and boy does she have stories.

Oh, and it is my understanding from friends who've been there that French waiters are highly arrogant and do not "serve" in any meaningful manner, nor do they feel the need to treat you with any sort of courtesy. Which is what happens when your pay isn't determined by your customers.

I suppose it all depends on what one is used to. I find it rude in this country, for example, when college kids hopped up on study buddies are at your table constantly topping up your water when you've barely taken more than a gulp, micro-managing every aspect of your experience like a car salesman who is going to tell you at the end of the meal how important "all fives" are to their performance. "Did everything come out OK?" "How is your meal going?" I am oriented toward leaving me the eff alone and if I need you I will summon you. I will not snap my fingers or hollar garçon in a brusque fashion, but I will signal that I need your attention.

I find it rude in this country when they clear the plates of dining companions who might finish before others. That is rude because it sends the signal that you are a slow eater and that you should speed up and scarf down the rest of your meal.

I find it rude in this country when the bill is shoved in my face as soon as I decline coffee or dessert.

These things happen in so-called upscale restaurants in this country, not just horrid chains.

I could go on.

You see, it is all about perspective and experience.

 

[LibertyBeacon]

Oh, and BTW -- I have been visiting France regularly over the last 30 years and can count on one hand the number of stereotypically rude French I've encountered. They've all been in Paris, but even the French who live elsewhere in France hate the Parisians.