North Korea - Deja vu all over again???

[wmburdette]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050919/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear

North Korea on Monday agreed to stop building nuclear weapons and allow international inspections in exchange for energy aid, economic cooperation and security assurances, in a first step toward disarmament after two years of six-nation talks.
The chief U.S. envoy to the talks praised the breakthrough as a "win-win situation" and "good agreement for all of us." But he promptly urged Pyongyang to make good on its promises by ending operations at its main nuclear facility at Yongbyon.

Doesn't this sound like the same kind of crap that Albright and the disgraced former president, William Clinton, got us into in the mid nineties? Then we promised the NoKos a whole lot of oil if they would only quit the nuke development and the NoKos promised no more nukes. We later found out they never slowed down the nuke development or processing. TODAY we promise the NoKos a whole lot of energy help if they will only quit the nuke development. Haven't we learned these NoKo commies can't be trusted???

Why in the heck are going down this road again???

 

[Larry Gude]

The primary thing we're trying to do...

...is get the locals, especially the Chinese, to take the lead in how to deal with these people.

Clinton proved, for anyone who had doubted it, that appeasement doesn't work very often.

North Korea is one of those issues that the media completely gave Clinton a pass on.

 

[Penn]

(1) "Another Japanese official, who spoke on condition he not be named in order to discuss the issue more freely, noted that there was no common understanding among the participants about the nature of North Korea's nuclear program."

That's one side, now here's another:

(2) "The head of the U.N. nuclear nonproliferation agency welcomed North Korea's decision to allow inspections, saying he hoped his experts could take the country at its word as soon as possible.

"The earlier we go back, the better," said Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

As they say, there's always 2 sides to every story.

 

[wmburdette]

"The head of the U.N. nuclear nonproliferation agency welcomed North Korea's decision to allow inspections, saying he hoped his experts could take the country at its word as soon as possible.

"The earlier we go back, the better," said Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

...and didn't the NoKos refuse to allow the U.N. "Inspectors" into the facilities the last time?? And then that little maniac dictator started yelling that he was a big boy and could keep his nukes if he wanted??

 

[itsbob]

This post is pretty horrific, and warning you now before you read it.

All this and the government and the favorites get rich, while the North Korean "citizens" starve to death.

Watched a special last week where a journalist met with party officials and got the party show, of clean well fed children performing for him, while his counterpart was in the local villages filming children starving to death, finding rice in mud to eat at peoples feet, digging through trash.

They then travelled to China, where Koreans do a river crossing to escape. Hundreds a month die just trying to wade the river. Survivior stories are horrendous. Fathers killing their wives and children so they don't have to suffer through starving to death.. one lady that escaped told of her village of 20 familes, when they had escaped only 8 or 9 families were still alive, the rest committed suicide.

Children drew pictures and told blood chilling tales of villages resorting to cannibalism for survival, even hand drawn pictures of butcher shops selling human parts for food. One young man (15 maybe) admitted to cannibalism.. and said many more were guilty of it, they just didn't know it.

 

[Penn]

You know, a part of me wants to draw a parallel here:

Some people on the left say our president let the minorities starve and starve and lay about in squalor in NO.

The leader of N. Korea merely forces his people into cannibalism.

Do we really want to negotiate with this "government"?

 

[Bruzilla]

You know, a part of me wants to draw a parallel here:

Some people on the left say our president let the minorities starve and starve and lay about in squalor in NO.

The leader of N. Korea merely forces his people into cannibalism.

Do we really want to negotiate with this "government"?

Perhaps it would be worth it to provide the PROK with a nuclear reactor in exchange for them teaching our minorities to be cannibals.

 

[Bustem' Down]

Perhaps it would be worth it to provide the PROK with a nuclear reactor in exchange for them teaching our minorities to be cannibals.

I think that we need to work on our relations with China more. Yeah sure, we don't agree with thier government, but when we do put pressure on them, they deal with North Korea. If we could just get them to do it without the pressure is the trick.

 

[Railroad]

You know, a part of me wants to draw a parallel here:

Good pun! We already have - the 38th or the 49th or something....

 

[wmburdette]

I think that we need to work on our relations with China more. Yeah sure, we don't agree with thier government, but when we do put pressure on them, they deal with North Korea. If we could just get them to do it without the pressure is the trick.

I don't think the ChiComs will ever be a trustworthy ally and assist us in doing what's right for the world. They want too much to bring the ROC under the boot of communism.

The following is from this morning's editorial page of the WSJ:

]QUOTE:]In yesterday's agreement, Pyongyang "commits" to giving up its nuclear weapons program, and the U.S. expresses "respect" for Pyongyang's desire to pursue peaceful nuclear energy. The agreement leaves many important details to be worked out later. But it suggests that the signatories have more effective methods in mind for verifying compliance than relying on the International Atomic Energy Agency, which North Korea has duped in the past. China could demonstrate its sincerity by taking a major role in verification. [/QUOTE]

I'm fairly sure the PRC could figure out a way to keep the NoKos in line if they really wanted to.

 

[Penn]

Surprise!

North Korea hedges on nuclear deal

By Jae-Soon Chang

North Korea said today that it would not dismantle its nuclear-weapons program until the United States first provides an atomic energy reactor, casting doubt on its commitment to a breakthrough agreement reached at international arms talks.

Did anyone take in a deep GASP! when this was announced?


And...................

Arrest ties Pyongyang to counterfeit $100 bills

By Bill Gertz

North Korea's government is producing high-quality counterfeit $100 bills and is working with criminal groups in China to sell the fake U.S. money internationally, U.S. officials say.

Are these people freaking serious? About anything??

They want negotiations, cooperation, a new energy reactor, but they pull this kind of crap too? UFB!!

 

[Triggerfish]

North Korea hedges on nuclear deal

By Jae-Soon Chang

North Korea said today that it would not dismantle its nuclear-weapons program until the United States first provides an atomic energy reactor, casting doubt on its commitment to a breakthrough agreement reached at international arms talks.

Did anyone take in a deep GASP! when this was announced?


And...................

Arrest ties Pyongyang to counterfeit $100 bills

By Bill Gertz

North Korea's government is producing high-quality counterfeit $100 bills and is working with criminal groups in China to sell the fake U.S. money internationally, U.S. officials say.

Are these people freaking serious? About anything??

They want negotiations, cooperation, a new energy reactor, but they pull this kind of crap too? UFB!!

The bright side of this is that the Japan not the U.S. is North Korea's most likely target for a nuclear attack. Nor have the North Koreans launched missles over U.S. like it did to Japan. Nor kidnapped it's citizens off the streets like it did to Japan to train spies.

Their govt can't be trusted.
The Japanese are sick of the North Koreans appear to be taking a stronger stance.

 

[Larry Gude]

Why do you think George Bush...

Perhaps it would be worth it to provide the PROK with a nuclear reactor in exchange for them teaching our minorities to be cannibals.

...flooded N'awlins?


Test case.

 

[vraiblonde]

Let's see.....

Guy next door threatens to blow up your house unless you buy him a car, a big screen TV and give him an allowance of $1000 a month.

You cave and give him what he wants.

Guy spends money on beer and drugs, leaving his children and wife to starve and start eating the household pets and any field mice they can catch.

You say, "Forget it, guy, no more money for you."

Guy threatens to blow up your house if yu don't resume your payments.

You cave and give him what he wants.

Yeah, Bush - that's a great plan.

 

[Bustem' Down]

I don't think the ChiComs will ever be a trustworthy ally and assist us in doing what's right for the world. They want too much to bring the ROC under the boot of communism.

The following is from this morning's editorial page of the WSJ:

]QUOTE:]In yesterday's agreement, Pyongyang "commits" to giving up its nuclear weapons program, and the U.S. expresses "respect" for Pyongyang's desire to pursue peaceful nuclear energy. The agreement leaves many important details to be worked out later. But it suggests that the signatories have more effective methods in mind for verifying compliance than relying on the International Atomic Energy Agency, which North Korea has duped in the past. China could demonstrate its sincerity by taking a major role in verification.

I never meant ally, don't get me wrong, just to get them take care of thier part of the world. We got enough to look after as it is.

 

[Triggerfish]

I never meant ally, don't get me wrong, just to get them take care of thier part of the world. We got enough to look after as it is.

It's really not matter of what part of the world it is. The Chinese just happen to be the closest thing to a friend that the North Koreans have. Unfortunately Chinese influence on South Korea seem to be on the increase and U.S./Japanese influence waning. The South Koreans are becoming increasing intertwined with the Chinese economically. The younger South Koreans are more likely to trust the North Koreans and think that having U.S. troops in South Korea is getting in the way of reunification. Fortunately for the immediate future the older generations think that the youngsters are nuts and still grateful to the United States for saving them during the Korean conflict. If there is a war between China and the U.S. and or Japan in the not so distant future all of Korea may be fighting on the Chinese side.

 

[Penn]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050921/D8COIASO0.html

North Korea Accuses US of Nuclear Attack Plot

They're going to Nuke us!! Head for the hills, you cannibals!!

 

[Triggerfish]

I never meant ally, don't get me wrong, just to get them take care of thier part of the world. We got enough to look after as it is.

I think the U.S. is pushing Japan to do just that. The big fuss over there now is that United States wants Japan to rewrite their constitution (which the U.S. wrote in the first place) that lets Japan to officially have a real military and be able to use it in peacekeeping force and to help the U.S. in any trouble that happens to come up.

 

[vraiblonde]

The big fuss over there now is that United States wants Japan to rewrite their constitution (which the U.S. wrote in the first place) that lets Japan to officially have a real military and be able to use it in peacekeeping force and to help the U.S. in any trouble that happens to come up.

Well, Japan hasn't attacked us in a while so it's probably about time they get their own military.

 

[Triggerfish]

Well, Japan hasn't attacked us in a while so it's probably about time they get their own military.

The fuss is that Japan hasn't really apologized to it's neighbors and teach it's younger citizens what the nation did in WWII (forced prostitution, medical experiments on live humans, biological warfare, rape and targeting of civillians) so most of it's neighbors are against Japan rearming. Japan rearming may mean a new arms race in Asia to that would rival the one during the cold war. The problem has very little with the U.S. it has to do with the neighbors.