That map also happens to coincide with the concentration of positive COVID cases.
NYT accidentally admits that masks don't work
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That map also happens to coincide with the concentration of positive COVID cases.
TPD
the poor dad
While I was filling up with gas at the Chinese liquor store this afternoon, I was taking note of everyone going into DG. Grab the mask off of your rear view or out of your pocket, just before entering the store put it on, as soon as exiting take it off. Either throw on ground or stuff back in your pocket. Early on we were told not to touch our face and this virus could live on surfaces for days. So what are people doing? Touching their face every time they put the damn mask on and then touching everything in the store with their hands that they just used to put the dirty germy mask on with. Makes no damn sense. Everyone in Ridge should be sick or dead! I'm surprised people are not revolting more over this. Especially with today's temperatures.
22AcaciaAve
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Masks don't protect the people wearing them, and they don't PREVENT the spread of any virus that can be caught through airborne particles. It can slow transmission by shortening the distance those airborne virus germs travel if properly used. Now touching your mask and then touching something else if you are infected does no good. Touching your face to adjust your mask after you have touched a contaminated area does no good for you at all. The key is the mask really doesn't protect you at all, it may protect others who don't come too close to you, but only if you are infected.
Now, as far as establishments requiring them. The thought is that maybe requiring masks may help protect their staff. Because enough staff test positive and are out for two weeks, the business may have to shut down. That costs revenue. So if I am a business owner, even if it is only 10% effective, maybe I do it. But the real bottom line is that any business has the right to set a dress code for that establishment and enforce it. Just like saying no baggy pants down to your hips and no hoodies. Or no shirt, no shoes, no service. If you have a problem with wearing the mask, then simply don't patronize the establishment that requires it. Same if you feel threatened going into a place that does not require a mask. Don't bitch out the owners, just don't go in there. Don't be a jerk and try to circumvent the rules that every business has the constitutional right to set for their own business. Simply make your feelings known by taking your business elsewhere. The money will dictate how masks are handled in the future more than any health advocate will.
Now, as far as establishments requiring them. The thought is that maybe requiring masks may help protect their staff. Because enough staff test positive and are out for two weeks, the business may have to shut down. That costs revenue. So if I am a business owner, even if it is only 10% effective, maybe I do it. But the real bottom line is that any business has the right to set a dress code for that establishment and enforce it. Just like saying no baggy pants down to your hips and no hoodies. Or no shirt, no shoes, no service. If you have a problem with wearing the mask, then simply don't patronize the establishment that requires it. Same if you feel threatened going into a place that does not require a mask. Don't bitch out the owners, just don't go in there. Don't be a jerk and try to circumvent the rules that every business has the constitutional right to set for their own business. Simply make your feelings known by taking your business elsewhere. The money will dictate how masks are handled in the future more than any health advocate will.
People can argue at how well they hinder droplets and transmission through air but this illustrates what I have always said -
They really don't make a difference.
It may make people feel good, but most measures we've used don't slow the spread.
The very fact that it has managed to infect every damned part of the planet in a short time clearly shows - it just gets everywhere.
I've seen Internet memes and idiotic threads on here on the efficacy when both people are wearing masks. The virus is not primarily getting ON YOU by inhalation, and your mask does NOT protect you. THAT little nugget of wisdom has been widely shared even by the authorities, so I don't know why the "it works better when both people are wearing it" thing. At BEST it affects transmission AWAY from you.
It only matters if it is effective on the way OUT. An improperly used mask may as well not exist. A disposable mask that is used repeatedly WILL be contaminated if it's around COVID-19, and you're not supposed to re-use them. Even in hospitals, they don't wear them ALL DAY LONG. A makeshift cloth mask or bandanna is nearly useless - and nobody cleans them anyway.
I've mentioned my MOM now has it, she's 83. She shows no symptoms. They found out when she had a seizure - which happens often - and she was taken to the hospital and tested upon admission. She NEVER GOES ANYWHERE. She's never really gotten over the death of my father years ago and I don't know of a more isolated person - she can't drive and has few friends in her new home many states away, where she moved after my father died. To me - just like Cuomo's observation that their new admissions WERE quarantined - she is proof that this stuff WILL get in.
EXPECT cases - isolate if you're vulnerable. But focus on treatment and early detection - because there's a good chance you have it right now.
frequentflier
happy to be living
WOW! on your Mom. I hope she is ok, SamSpade.
My Dad turns 90 tomorrow and where I really want to go to NY to see him and my step mom, I would never forgive myself if I made them sick. For the most part, my Dad is healthy - he is just old and wants to die. My step Mom, much younger that Dad is in poor health with copd.
My mom wants to die too, but if she dies, it won't be COVID. She is at least past constantly saying she wants to die and be with my father, or wanting to know why God let her live.
No fever, no symptoms - she's a case of someone admitted to the hospital for other things but tested positive. She's been in the hospital a lot this past year - I went down to stay at her house last year for about a week while she went through tests. I only mention this because you just KNOW some nitwit will try to argue about something I know a helluva lot more about but don't have space to discuss in full.
I'm more concerned because the past years since my father passed, her mental state is deteriorating. She used to be someone you could engage in conversation about most things - bright - alert - but she has since become what we often think of as old - repeating things, forgetting stuff you've just mentioned.
I just don't know how she could have caught it unless it was actually at the hospital.
(shrug) Well, it wasn't via some drive by testing - it was at the hospital before admittance. It may be a false positive but I think their testing is more stringent and they have to keep testing. I'm strongly inclined to suspect asymptomatic. It's been made clear enough that most people never present symptoms and the virus doesn't do anything.
frequentflier
happy to be living
kwillia
n/a
The false positives are being attributed to the tests themselves, not the method of testing. At work (St. Mary's) we've had several test positive only to take a second test days later that came back negative and each time they were told a negative on a 2nd test is what takes precedent because there is a known issues with false positives.
Thanks. But I brought the issue UP because - how did she get it? Seriously, she barely leaves her home, and if you've seen her retirement community, you're lucky IF you ever SEE another person. Her condition precludes her ability to drive. Over the last four years, the best she ever gets is, she gets to see my older sister who lives 45 minutes away or she might get her hair done - but during the quarantine, she's gone nowhere except the hospital. Did THEY give it to her?
It does show, to me - this thing is pervasive. It's like glitter or beach sand. It just gets everywhere, and you only need a little. Its main means of transmission may be via droplets - but I am convinced that much of it goes through droplets contaminating things. How else could it defeat social distancing, masks and quarantine? It's not even terribly CONTAGIOUS.
I didn't know that - sure does reaffirm that a lot of our data sucks - because I'll bet those positives are COUNTED in the cumulative total for the state.
I was just in Advanced Auto in Oxon Hill ... Customer at the counter had his mask pulled down to talk to the Employee
signs all around ' No Mask No Service '
Sapidus was no where in sight to tell the black man to mask up
Here's hoping she never does.
Out of all the positive cases, it's only a small percentage of them that actually get sick. So the CDC says today, but tomorrow they may say something different. But if this virus is as contagious and dangerous as "they" say, every single one of us would be seeing evidence of it no matter where we live. So far I know one person who knows a person who is actively sick with COVID. I don't personally know anyone who is sick with it.
kwillia
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I know someone in St. Mary's (4 yrs younger than me) who's parents both got it and experienced complications. The dad already had a compromised immune system as he was facing some major chronic issues at the them. However, it ended up being the mom that in a matter of 2 weeks went from fine to ICU to dead from COVID19. I always keep him and his situation in mind whenever I want to take one side of the fence or the other. The complete truth of the matter is no matter the age or health situation it is not known how someone's experience will be when they eventually get it. Because of that, I stay on the proverbial fence. I still live my life the way I chose to do so in this unusual world circumstance we live in, but I realize its a game of roulette and at some point my number will come up. Only time will tell whether I am a winner or a loser.
See, but people get sick and die every day. This happens to be one thing among the myriad that kills them, so I'm no more alarmed at COVID than I am at diabetes, cancer, heart disease, or accidents. I take the same precautions I take during flu season, practice normal common sense and good hygiene, and so far so good.
These doom and gloom click baiters have alarmed me unnecessarily way too many times for me to trust them now. I was supposed to have Lyme disease, and my child was supposed to be abducted if they didn't die of SIDS, and I should have died of cancer and killed everyone around me with second-hand smoke, I was going to be attacked by a shark, it just goes on and on and on. Once you run the numbers on these things, you go, "Wait a minute....." but that doesn't stop the media from hyping it up and freaking everyone out.
kwillia
n/a
I agree. I love being home vs. going places so in that regard I have less exposure than you. But I love my job and to do it well requires me it interact with people thus exposing me. If I paid attention to the hype, I would do strictly teleworking and greatly lessen my exposure. Others that do the same type of job do so, but I decided it makes a huge difference to my customer to be onsite at times so I go in when I deem necessary and sleep well at night. I don't believe not living life in the name of hiding from the virus will make a difference in the end.