Obama: Wright flap has 'shaken me up'
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Lenny
Lovin' being Texican
Let me see if I understand your point...
..the fact Obamarama's mentor is now a liability makes him remember that he's always been a victim of discrimination?
..the fact Obamarama's mentor is now a liability makes him remember that he's always been a victim of discrimination?
Bay_Kat
Tropical
cwo_ghwebb
No Use for Donk Twits
Yes, long odds. But an ambitious politician keeps fighting. Obama probably believed the country wouldn't throw the 
flag at his mentor's obvious racist tilt.
Or they would be labeled racist if they did.
flag at his mentor's obvious racist tilt.Or they would be labeled racist if they did.
You goofballs are gonna feel like a bunch ofs when he's Presidenting in late January...aren't ya???
Maybe, but you Obama supporters are going to feel like the
s the year after.
Kerad
New Member
Maybe, but you Obama supporters are going to feel like the
You've been wrong this whole election cycle. You're almost like Dubya. Whatever you say, take the opposite, and sprint to the bank.
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
http://news.newsmax.com/?S646.ZnVFV.../2008/03/19/81557.html?s=al&promo_code=478B-1
Interesting:
It took Barack Obama more than a year to repudiate his former pastor's racially charged anti-American tirades, but when it came to denouncing Don Imus for his racial slurs against the Rutgers girls basketball team, it took Obama only a week to demand the shock jock be fired, Fox News notes.
In a major speech Tuesday, Obama condemned the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's shocking verbal assaults against the U.S. dating back to 2001.
But in April of last year, Obama was quick to demand Imus' ouster for making a racially insensitive remark.
“There’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude,” Obama told ABC News in an April 11 interview demanding Imus' resignation.
Hmmmm......
Interesting:
It took Barack Obama more than a year to repudiate his former pastor's racially charged anti-American tirades, but when it came to denouncing Don Imus for his racial slurs against the Rutgers girls basketball team, it took Obama only a week to demand the shock jock be fired, Fox News notes.
In a major speech Tuesday, Obama condemned the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's shocking verbal assaults against the U.S. dating back to 2001.
But in April of last year, Obama was quick to demand Imus' ouster for making a racially insensitive remark.
“There’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude,” Obama told ABC News in an April 11 interview demanding Imus' resignation.
Hmmmm......
ImnoMensa
New Member
Maybe, but you Obama supporters are going to feel like the
Only the ones who have to pay for the entitlements, the recipients will be happy.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
*guffaw*...
OK, that was funny.
Now, will they admit it???
Maybe, but you Obama supporters are going to feel like the
OK, that was funny.
Now, will they admit it???
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Kerad
New Member
No...I really don't.
Hillary crapped her pants when she realized that Florida and (probably) Michigan aren't going to count. In fact, I think she changed her schedule and went up to Michigan to whine about it.
Barack took a bad situation with The Rev and turned it around to work in his favor.
Hillary's only prayer is with the superdelegates, and I really think she's starting to piss off most of them...all but her die hard supporters.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
That's...
...an interesting perspective. You are suggesting Hillary is too stupid to realize Florida and Michigan were going to be huge problems. Obviously, they knew the potential existed that they actually would not be seated. Dean is no Terry McCaulife-esque ally to them. Consider this; Florida and Michigan now bolster Hillary's claims to them even more precisely because there is no do-over. She can claim anything she wants now as opposed to a potential 50/50 spilt which gains her nothing anyway.
Your take on how Barrack handled Wright is interesting as well. If you are right, then the Super-delegates won't buy Clintonite claims that this incident kills Obama with the middle and conservative Democrats.
If you are wrong, if the Super's see this as a divisive, losing issue, then what?
...an interesting perspective. You are suggesting Hillary is too stupid to realize Florida and Michigan were going to be huge problems. Obviously, they knew the potential existed that they actually would not be seated. Dean is no Terry McCaulife-esque ally to them. Consider this; Florida and Michigan now bolster Hillary's claims to them even more precisely because there is no do-over. She can claim anything she wants now as opposed to a potential 50/50 spilt which gains her nothing anyway.
Your take on how Barrack handled Wright is interesting as well. If you are right, then the Super-delegates won't buy Clintonite claims that this incident kills Obama with the middle and conservative Democrats.
If you are wrong, if the Super's see this as a divisive, losing issue, then what?
Kerad
New Member
I think Hillary really thought (up until the last couple days) that somehow she could benefit from Florida and Michigan. That's why she kept her name on the ballot in MI, and (non-officially) campaigned in Florida.
There is no way that the votes are going to count as they've been cast. Unless there's some legal thing that screws it all up...but I think Hillary would have pulled that out by now if it was available.
The longer she keeps up the fighting, the more she's going to piss off everyone in the party. You'd think she'd be embarrassed about Republicans voting for her in the primaries...knowing she's the weaker candidate. But she doesn't care...she's in it for herself, and screw everything else.
I honestly think Howard Dean and "the party" has just about had enough of this. Heck...even the tone of some of Bill's interviews hints that he realizes Hillary is just delaying the inevitable. As if he'd be just fine if she hung it up tomorrow.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
So...
...you see Obama's support as being over 50% of the party, as a whole? The donors, voters, the interest groups? I ask this honestly as I have no clear idea what you people value. I still don't know what anyone in my party sees in McCain, other than the 'R'.
...you see Obama's support as being over 50% of the party, as a whole? The donors, voters, the interest groups? I ask this honestly as I have no clear idea what you people value. I still don't know what anyone in my party sees in McCain, other than the 'R'.
Kerad
New Member
Yes.
Obama's been destroying her in donations from the start. And every time I see a non-committed superdelegate on tv discussing the issue, they always say they are not going to overturn the will of the voters. I cannot envision her making up the difference in votes and/or committed delegates...unless Obama is photographed hugging Dick Cheney, or something equally absurd.
While Hillary's "kitchen sink" campaign approach of this last month has kept her in the race (officially), I believe it's turned off many people who could have supported her. She's got her rabid supporters, no doubt. But that's all she's got. She's losing the "undecideds" more and more every day.
The difference between her platform and Obama's is small. They mirror each other on about 95% of the issues, if not more. It's now about who Democrats would rather see on tv behind that podium with the presidential seal on it.
Of course, I could be mistaken. :shrug:
Larry Gude
Strung Out
What's...
...wrong with hugging family? That is actually, though you may have not meant it thus, part of the larger issue. Knee jerk Bush/Cheney haters (Obama lovers) have got to be able to make the case that their guy can bridge the gap to the right wing of the Dem party and to left leaning GOP'ers or they'll have no reason to not vote McCain. Will the SD's go with Obama, assuming it's real, real close come Denver if they think he's gonna lose?
...wrong with hugging family? That is actually, though you may have not meant it thus, part of the larger issue. Knee jerk Bush/Cheney haters (Obama lovers) have got to be able to make the case that their guy can bridge the gap to the right wing of the Dem party and to left leaning GOP'ers or they'll have no reason to not vote McCain. Will the SD's go with Obama, assuming it's real, real close come Denver if they think he's gonna lose?
Kerad
New Member
Everybody knows the republicans desperately want Hillary to win the nomination. And everybody knows it isn't because they love her and can't wait to have the Clintons back in the White House.
If Hillary wins 75% of Pennsylvania, she has a chance. Other than that, she isn't going to make up enough ground for it to be close enough to validate the superdelegates overturning the wishes of the voters.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Ha...
...if you say so. The only remotely possible redemption for W is one of these two taking office right after him. I've already accepted that a Democrat will be inaugurated in January 2009. I know far more GOP'ers who don't like McCain and WILL NOT VOTE for him than I do ones who will hold their nose and vote for him.
I can't wait for the fun of either Hillary and reliving the farce of the 90's or a whole new game as more and more people come to accept that Obama is the farthest left Senator for a reason.
I'm simply interested in the politics of this.
...if you say so.
The only remotely possible redemption for W is one of these two taking office right after him. I've already accepted that a Democrat will be inaugurated in January 2009. I know far more GOP'ers who don't like McCain and WILL NOT VOTE for him than I do ones who will hold their nose and vote for him. I can't wait for the fun of either Hillary and reliving the farce of the 90's or a whole new game as more and more people come to accept that Obama is the farthest left Senator for a reason.
I'm simply interested in the politics of this.
