Oct. 13--Anniversary of Fatima Miracle

onel0126

Bead mumbler
The Miracle of the Sun--An Eyewitness Account by Dr. José Maria de Almeida Garrett, professor at the Faculty of Sciences of Coimbra, Portugal "It must have been 1:30 p.m when there arose, at the exact spot where the children were, a column of smoke, thin, fine and bluish, which extended up to perhaps two meters above their heads, and evaporated at that height. This phenomenon, perfectly visible to the naked eye, lasted for a few seconds. Not having noted how long it had lasted, I cannot say whether it was more or less than a minute. The smoke dissipated abruptly, and after some time, it came back to occur a second time, then a third time "The sky, which had been overcast all day, suddenly cleared; the rain stopped and it looked as if the sun were about to fill with light the countryside that the wintery morning had made so gloomy. I was looking at the spot of the apparitions in a serene, if cold, expectation of something happening and with diminishing curiosity because a long time had passed without anything to excite my attention. The sun, a few moments before, had broken through the thick layer of clouds which hid it and now shone clearly and intensely. "Suddenly I heard the uproar of thousands of voices, and I saw the whole multitude spread out in that vast space at my feet...turn their backs to that spot where, until then, all their expectations had been focused, and look at the sun on the other side. I turned around, too, toward the point commanding their gaze and I could see the sun, like a very clear disc, with its sharp edge, which gleamed without hurting the sight. It could not be confused with the sun seen through a fog (there was no fog at that moment), for it was neither veiled nor dim. At Fatima, it kept its light and heat, and stood out clearly in the sky, with a sharp edge, like a large gaming table. The most astonishing thing was to be able to stare at the solar disc for a long time, brilliant with light and heat, without hurting the eyes or damaging the retina. [During this time], the sun's disc did not remain immobile, it had a giddy motion, [but] not like the twinkling of a star in all its brilliance for it spun round upon itself in a mad whirl. "During the solar phenomenon, which I have just described, there were also changes of color in the atmosphere. Looking at the sun, I noticed that everything was becoming darkened. I looked first at the nearest objects and then extended my glance further afield as far as the horizon. I saw everything had assumed an amethyst color. Objects around me, the sky and the atmosphere, were of the same color. Everything both near and far had changed, taking on the color of old yellow damask. People looked as if they were suffering from jaundice and I recall a sensation of amusement at seeing them look so ugly and unattractive. My own hand was the same color. "Then, suddenly, one heard a clamor, a cry of anguish breaking from all the people. The sun, whirling wildly, seemed all at once to loosen itself from the firmament and, blood red, advance threateningly upon the earth as if to crush us with its huge and fiery weight. The sensation during those moments was truly terrible. "All the phenomena which I have described were observed by me in a calm and serene state of mind without any emotional disturbance. It is for others to interpret and explain them. Finally, I must declare that never, before or after October 13 [1917], have I observed similar atmospheric or solar phenomena." Professor Almeida Garrett's full account may be found in Novos Documentos de Fatima (Loyala editions, San Paulo, 1984)
 

b23hqb

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And they were - blinded by the light.

Mama always told me not to look into the sights of the sun
Oh but mama that's where the fun is

Looking into the sun really does affect your sight.

An interesting story of an "event" that has no scientific evidence of anything other than psychological phenomena. If the sun was dancing, and red zooming in and out would have surely been seen by billions of others in Europe, Africa, and western Asia that would have noticed.
 
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b23hqb

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Millions say the same thing about the resurrection...You are a dishonest fool.

But, but......the Roman guard stated themselves, under penalty of death, that no had entered or left the tomb. There is no other explanation. You, onel, are the dishonest fool, calling yourself a Christian, and comparing the resurrection of your Lord and Savior, to an event where even people there saw none of the things that others say they saw that day.

You, onel, just back, are already back to your old self, your self-admitted reason that you left for. Ready for another sabbatical?
 

onel0126

Bead mumbler
But, but......the Roman guard stated themselves, under penalty of death, that no had entered or left the tomb. There is no other explanation. You, onel, are the dishonest fool, calling yourself a Christian, and comparing the resurrection of your Lord and Savior, to an event where even people there saw none of the things that others say they saw that day. You, onel, just back, are already back to your old self, your self-admitted reason that you left for. Ready for another sabbatical?
I made no such comparison. You are not bright enough to see what you attempted to do. I would expect nothing else from one who attends a leader less church. How is that quaker style worship going?
 
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Chuckt

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I recommend "The Cult of the Virgin" By Elliot Miller and Kenneth R. Samples.
 

Amused_despair

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And they were - blinded by the light.

Mama always told me not to look into the sights of the sun
Oh but mama that's where the fun is

Looking into the sun really does affect your sight.

An interesting story of an "event" that has no scientific evidence of anything other than psychological phenomena. If the sun was dancing, and red zooming in and out would have surely been seen by billions of others in Europe, Africa, and western Asia that would have noticed.

Joshua asked God to stop the Sun in the sky, and it did. No scientific evidence of everyone being crushed by the forces of inertia. Do you doubt this story as well?
 

b23hqb

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Joshua asked God to stop the Sun in the sky, and it did. No scientific evidence of everyone being crushed by the forces of inertia. Do you doubt this story as well?

I knew this would come up.

That is the written word of God, penned/scratched/however by Joshua himself. He would know. He was there, and was the dude that did it via the will of God. You either believe it or you don't. God is your scientific evidence, since He is the creator of inertia and all physics.
 

Amused_despair

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I knew this would come up.

That is the written word of God, penned/scratched/however by Joshua himself. He would know. He was there, and was the dude that did it via the will of God. You either believe it or you don't. God is your scientific evidence, since He is the creator of inertia and all physics.

So you admit that miracles could occur without the presence of scientific evidence to them happening?
 

b23hqb

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So you admit that miracles could occur without the presence of scientific evidence to them happening?

What else do you think a miracle is? Miracles serve a purpose, always, as performed by God. What purpose did this "Fatima" serve, what miracle or prophecy was fulfilled? That's all I'm saying.

Something happened to people there, others it did not happen to. I'd say they were just blinded by the sun. Or doing some really well fermented vino en masse.

I don't see any divine intervention into human affairs, or any kind of fulfillment of spiritual law or requirements.

Again, what miracle? What happened that benefited anyone?
 
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Amused_despair

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What else do you think a miracle is? Miracles serve a purpose, always, as performed by God. What purpose did this "Fatima" serve, what miracle or prophecy was fulfilled? That's all I'm saying.

Something happened to people there, others it did not happen to. I'd say they were just blinded by the sun. Or doing some really well fermented vino en masse.

I don't see any divine intervention into human affairs, or any kind of fulfillment of spiritual law or requirements.

Again, what miracle? What happened that benefited anyone?

Benefit? Information, same as when the hand wrote on the wall.
 

b23hqb

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Benefit? Information, same as when the hand wrote on the wall.

You're calling the handwriting on the wall a miracle? I call it a lesson learned to be carried onward - be humbled by God, and don't blaspheme Him.

What information or benefit came from this Fatima incident? Belshaz'zar was apparently the only one who saw the hand actually writing on the wall. Everyone else just saw the writing, and it was the doom of the king.

What's your point in your defense of calling Fatima a miracle of sorts? Back it up, don't just google biblical miracles and phenomena. You're comparing apples and oranges.
 
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Amused_despair

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You're calling the handwriting on the wall a miracle? I call it a lesson learned to be carried onward - be humbled by God, and don't blaspheme Him.

What information or benefit came from this Fatima incident? Belshaz'zar was apparently the only one who saw the hand actually writing on the wall. Everyone else just saw the writing, and it was the doom of the king.

What's your point in your defense of calling Fatima a miracle of sorts? Back it up, don't just google biblical miracles and phenomena. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Awwww, you he upset when you don't get your way, how cute. You brought up the argument that Fatima could not happen because there was no physical evidence. I have provided two biblical examples. You grasp at straws, I provide an example of how a biblical miracle provided the same benefit as is ascribed to Fatima: information. You now claim that an invisible hand writing on a wall is not a miracle. I think I Fatima had been witnessed by little Southern Baptist children you would be defending it from the nasty Catholics. It is ok. Let the anger wash over you. Embrace it. The Dark Side has cookies, honest.
 

b23hqb

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Awwww, you he upset when you don't get your way, how cute. You brought up the argument that Fatima could not happen because there was no physical evidence. I have provided two biblical examples. You grasp at straws, I provide an example of how a biblical miracle provided the same benefit as is ascribed to Fatima: information. You now claim that an invisible hand writing on a wall is not a miracle. I think I Fatima had been witnessed by little Southern Baptist children you would be defending it from the nasty Catholics. It is ok. Let the anger wash over you. Embrace it. The Dark Side has cookies, honest.

Aww, nothing. I just got back from a side trip, was thinking about what I posted, and was going to correct my mistake - the handwriting is a miracle. I typed incorrectly. Information and benefit came from it. I hold the Bible, grasp at nothing but the truth or best possible explanation. Fatima lends no credence to any kind of miracle - what information came from it besides what witnesses say they did or did not see, and what is the benefit from it? Hopefully, those that stared into the sun learned not to do it again.
 

Amused_despair

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Aww, nothing. I just got back from a side trip, was thinking about what I posted, and was going to correct my mistake - the handwriting is a miracle. I typed incorrectly. Information and benefit came from it. I hold the Bible, grasp at nothing but the truth or best possible explanation. Fatima lends no credence to any kind of miracle - what information came from it besides what witnesses say they did or did not see, and what is the benefit from it? Hopefully, those that stared into the sun learned not to do it again.

Fatima lends no credence to any kind of miracle....to you. You are not the world. One person's miracle is another's silly story.
 

b23hqb

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Fatima lends no credence to any kind of miracle....to you. You are not the world. One person's miracle is another's silly story.

But just to be fair, why the OP title: Oct. 13--Anniversary of Fatima Miracle. Why do peeps call it the Miracle of Fatima/The Miracle of the Sun/The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima? Curious minds just want to know.

Words do mean things to most people.
 

b23hqb

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We saw some pretty wild visions during one of our Druid bonfires one night.

Turned out someone had accidentally slipped some mushrooms in to the mead.

Never been to any druid bonfire, but way back in the day those mushrooms with the purple rings around the stem sure could make the sky fall.
 

onel0126

Bead mumbler
But just to be fair, why the OP title: Oct. 13--Anniversary of Fatima Miracle. Why do peeps call it the Miracle of Fatima/The Miracle of the Sun/The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima? Curious minds just want to know. Words do mean things to most people.
I can only assume it refers to the miracle of the sun. The sun doesn't normally do what they say the sun did that day.
 
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