Oh, now its not okay to show the Hitler..

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by rraley
I guess that moveon thinks that since George W. Bush is disparaging Kerry so much, they should balance it out some.
Cite your source. I haven't seen Bush do one single thing that could remotely be considered disparaging. Unless you consider talking about Kerry's voting record "disparaging".
 

rraley

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Cite your source. I haven't seen Bush do one single thing that could remotely be considered disparaging. Unless you consider talking about Kerry's voting record "disparaging".

I consider missrepreseting a person's record as "disparaging." I think that calling Kerry "weak" is disparaging. I think that calling the election a choice "between good and evil" as Senator Frist has done is disparaging. Besides a moveon ad that had Bush's voice imitated, I cannot think of instances where there are direct personal assassionations of Bush in television ads.
 

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Originally posted by rraley
I think that calling Kerry "weak" is disparaging.
Really? Is it worse than, say, calling someone a criminal? :bubble:

Face it - Kerry IS weak. He's weak on just about every issue under the sun. How you can tell is that he can't stick with an opinion from one day to the next. And since that is the case, his opinions must certainly be weak, therefore Bush didn't disparage Kerry - he merely pointed out Kerry's own self-inflicted shortcomings.

I think that calling the election a choice "between good and evil" as Senator Frist has done is disparaging.
This is the kind of bullshit I'm talking about. You "heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend". You have no idea if this is fact or fiction. But, because it's a Republican that "did" it, it MUST be the gospel. :rolleyes:
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by rraley
Besides a moveon ad that had Bush's voice imitated, I cannot think of instances where there are direct personal assassionations of Bush in television ads.
Really? :dance:

http://www.johnkerry.com/videos/player.php?video=051004_healthcare

http://www.johnkerry.com/videos/player.php?video=040504_closeenough

http://www.johnkerry.com/videos/player.php?video=031204_misleading

http://www.johnkerry.com/videos/player.php?video=022704_word

http://www.johnkerry.com/videos/player.php?video=021404_morethananyone

http://www.johnkerry.com/videos/player.php?video=020604_nomrpres

But this one is my personal favorite:

http://www.johnkerry.com/videos/player.php?video=011304_del

Did you know that John Kerry fought in Vietnam so Americans could have free health care? Me either.
 

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In fact, now that I see those commercials again, John Kerry is so off-message that it's not even funny. Whoever is running his campaign should be fired.
 

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Really? Is it worse than, say, calling someone a criminal?
I apologize - he didn't call him a criminal. That was Howard Dean. Kerry called him lying and crooked. :dance:
 

rraley

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Alright here we go.


First of all, there is absolutely no reason for me to believe that Senator Frist did not say those words. I heard this from a good friend of mine who is a Republican and firmly believes in the statement. Why would she lie about that?

If you consider thinking things through before acting, then call Kerry weak by all means. Honestly, the President of the United States isn't supposed to be stubborn and insist on following their first impulses and fail to admit any failure. Kerry is none of those and I would feel comfortable with him in the White House because I would know that he is seriously thinking about all the issues.

I viewed all of the Kerry ads that you provided. I did not see any reference to President Bush as a Nazi or communist or terrible person. What I did see was a review of the facts and the Bush record of lost jobs, a failed strategy in Iraq, and a record deficit. The one ad that I do have a problem with is the whole ad that advocated those wonderful conspiracy theories that liberals have concerning President Bush and Haliburton, etc. Frankly, we need to drop that. Halliburtion's business is designed for Iraqi reconstruction, so of course they received millions of dollars in contracts.

Meanwhile President Bush has shown ads that say that John Kerry has changed positions on everything under the sun, which is an absolute stretch of the truth and missrepresentation of the facts. I remember an ad that was run against John McCain in 2000 that said that he opposed research funding for cancer treatment because he voted against a large spending bill that was over a thousand pages long. President Bush can say that we do not need to internationalize as Senator Kerry suggests. He can say that we do not need to repeal the tax cuts, etc. What we do not need is a ridiculous debate on what John Kerry did twelve years ago when he voted for a thousand page bill.

As a sidenote, Barbara Streisand is not my poster girl. My poster girl is Diane Finstein and Mary Landreiu thank you very much (not sure about their spellings, but their political records are tremendous).
 
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