O'Malley's Subsidized Health Plan Goes Into Effect

Lee

New Member
In case you didn't know:

Phase one of Democratic Gov. Martin O’Malley’s so-called Heath Coverage Act goes into effect tomorrow when Maryland taxpayers will begin subsidizing the insurance premiums of small businesses and their employees.

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AndyMarquisLIVE

New Member
This dude must be voted out of office!!! Typical tax and spend DemoRat!!! :buttkick:
I like this idea actually. Of course I'd expect you righties to flame me over this, but it's not a bad idea. Small businesses and small businesses employees pay twice as much for health insurance than do big businesses and government agencies.

I mean, just because you pay $300 to provide healthcare to your family doesn't mean everyone else does. My parents - it's $900/month for only the two of them.

I'm not for free healthcare, but I am for reducing the cost of healthcare, and if there are government initiatives towards that - tax breaks for businesses that provide healthcare and tax breaks for healthcare agencies to help offset costs among other things - I'm for them. It's better than all around Universal Healthcare. :shrug:
 

awpitt

Main Streeter
In case you didn't know:

Phase one of Democratic Gov. Martin O’Malley’s so-called Heath Coverage Act goes into effect tomorrow when Maryland taxpayers will begin subsidizing the insurance premiums of small businesses and their employees.

Link to rest.
Whoever wrote that OpEd contradicted thereself by critisizing the tax payer subsidizing of premiums and saying it would be fairer to provide a deduction which would also have to rely on tax payer support.

The fact is that MOM's plan is not govt run health care. It's an effort to make PRIVATE insurance affordable for more people who WORK for small businesses.
 

Vince

......
Whoever wrote that OpEd contradicted thereself by critisizing the tax payer subsidizing of premiums and saying it would be fairer to provide a deduction which would also have to rely on tax payer support.

The fact is that MOM's plan is not govt run health care. It's an effort to make PRIVATE insurance affordable for more people who WORK for small businesses.
I pay for myself and my kids healthcare, why do I need to pay for others who work for small businesses? They get subsidized, I get taxed.
 

awpitt

Main Streeter
I pay for myself and my kids healthcare, why do I need to pay for others who work for small businesses? They get subsidized, I get taxed.
I pay for health insurance for myself and my family as well. I'm not big on paying for others either; however, the reality is that we pay for others wether they go to the emergency room or a DRs office. Overall, it's cheaper for an office visit than an emergency room visit.
 
R

RadioPatrol

Guest
I like this idea actually. Of course I'd expect you righties to flame me over this, but it's not a bad idea. Small businesses and small businesses employees pay twice as much for health insurance than do big businesses and government agencies.


Ahhh :dork: small pool paying in, cost more ....

Frankly though if Gov. really wanted to solve this issue they would allow Small Business to band together and buy insurance in groups, making those paying in, over all larger in #'s

by making it an entitlement MOM, buys more votes ....

States and Small Business Health Insurance: An Overview

Updated: June 23, 2008

Small businesses often pay more for employee health benefits because they don't have the buying power of big employers. As both workers and small employers feel the financial squeeze, fewer are able to afford to offer, or purchase, health insurance coverage.

Here is how USA Today summarized the issue in a page one story in April:

Small businesses are driven crazy by soaring employee health costs, an expense that surveys show has become the biggest headache and obstacle to growth. Now, a growing army of consultants and benefits experts are promoting new health plans and services aimed at owners desperate to rein in costs.
Insurance brokers customize plans for small firms. Insurers cut deals for owners launching on-the-job worker "wellness" programs. Professional employer organizations combine dozens of small firms into big employee groups for discounted rates. And Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) crafted by Congress are now part of small firms' arsenal.
Congress (in March 2006) moved closer than ever to passing health care legislation to let small companies band together across state lines for discounts. President Bush endorsed the legislation again last week. But it's been debated for years without passage. [USA Today, 4/19/06]

For state policymakers, there is more to the story. The percentage of the non elderly population (under age 65) with health insurance coverage declined in 2004 to a post-1994 low of 82.2 percent. However, it is the smallest of "small employers" that provide coverage least often - 72 percent of those with 10 to 24 employees, and only 47 percent of those with three to nine employees.

For policymakers seeking responses, some of the following resources may be of use. Note that fairly diverse strategies have been tried and proposed. These include:

* Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) and High Deductible Health Plans.
* Consumer-driven health insurance strategies such as cost and quality transparency.
* Exemptions or exceptions from state mandates.
* Tax credits and tax deductions for insurance costs.
* State Health Purchasing Pools or Cooperatives.
* MEWAs (Multiple Employer Welfare Arrangements) and AHPs (Association Health Plans).
* State High Risk Pools.
* Public-Private Partnerships, including subsidies.
* Universal health plans that emphasize small employer coverage.
* Small Group Insurance Reforms.


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your correct luser, Righties want people to pay their way, not Obamanation / Hillarycare where Socialists want to TAX everyone to give away HC ....
 

vegmom

Bookseller Lady
I pay for health insurance for myself and my family as well. I'm not big on paying for others either; however, the reality is that we pay for others wether they go to the emergency room or a DRs office. Overall, it's cheaper for an office visit than an emergency room visit.

:yeahthat:

If you make under $50,000 and have a small family a tax deduction does not amount to squat since you probably don't pay much in taxes to begin with.

I am wondering what the cost of this program vs unpaid ER visits amounts too? I would think that treating in a MDs office would not only be cheaper, but someone would be more likely to go when said problem is minor and much easier to treat vs. progessed so far they have to go the the ER with a much harder and $$$ to treat problem.
 

Sweet 16

^^8^^
This dude must be voted out of office!!! Typical tax and spend DemoRat!!! :buttkick:

I am still trying to figure out how he got in, especially with his track record as mayor of B'more. I can't believe people ignored that and actually wanted this guy to run our state!
 

johnycarcinogen

New Member
This dude must be voted out of office!!! Typical tax and spend DemoRat!!! :buttkick:

When in the past 8 years have there been tax cuts coming from the GOP? My taxes sure as hell have not gone down or even stayed the same, they have gone up. Neither party can do anything right.
 

ImnoMensa

New Member
I am still trying to figure out how he got in, especially with his track record as mayor of B'more. I can't believe people ignored that and actually wanted this guy to run our state!

Dont look now,but the Democrats are getting ready to put another guy in as President with no track record.

Track records dont mean a thing to democrats. They vote party Uber Alles.
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

New Member
Whoever wrote that OpEd contradicted thereself by critisizing the tax payer subsidizing of premiums and saying it would be fairer to provide a deduction which would also have to rely on tax payer support.

The fact is that MOM's plan is not govt run health care. It's an effort to make PRIVATE insurance affordable for more people who WORK for small businesses.

I pay for health insurance for myself and my family as well. I'm not big on paying for others either; however, the reality is that we pay for others wether they go to the emergency room or a DRs office. Overall, it's cheaper for an office visit than an emergency room visit.

:yeahthat:
 

bcp

In My Opinion
I like this idea actually. Of course I'd expect you righties to flame me over this, but it's not a bad idea. Small businesses and small businesses employees pay twice as much for health insurance than do big businesses and government agencies.

I mean, just because you pay $300 to provide healthcare to your family doesn't mean everyone else does. My parents - it's $900/month for only the two of them.

I'm not for free healthcare, but I am for reducing the cost of healthcare, and if there are government initiatives towards that - tax breaks for businesses that provide healthcare and tax breaks for healthcare agencies to help offset costs among other things - I'm for them. It's better than all around Universal Healthcare. :shrug:
so, You want others to pay for your parents health care along with their own?
How come you dont just kick a few hundred a month in for them from your own pocket, Ill do the same for my parents should they need it.
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

New Member
so, You want others to pay for your parents health care along with their own?
How come you dont just kick a few hundred a month in for them from your own pocket, Ill do the same for my parents should they need it.
The reality is, we already do pay other peoples' heathcare.

What do you think that Medicare thing that is taken out of your paycheck is? :dork:

Do you think every person treated at the Emergency Room has health insurance? :dork:
 

bcp

In My Opinion
The reality is, we already do pay other peoples' heathcare.

What do you think that Medicare thing that is taken out of your paycheck is? :dork:
so, they are getting rid of the medicare payment? besides, at least one day should I live long enough I will benefit from medicare, Im pretty sure that I will never see benefit from the dollars stolen from me to pay for insurance for those that dont work, or did not plan properly for their future.

Do you think every person treated at the Emergency Room has health insurance? :dork:
nope, and when I had my first back surgery without insurance, I paid every single penny of it from my own pocket, there was no help out there. I expect others to have the same consideration as I had.

socialism is not the answer.
by the way, did you see where the Canadian social health care system is falling apart due to lack of sufficient funds? it does not work. Maybe mom and dad could become wal-mart greeters and kick in a couple extra bucks for some decent insurance?
 

Pete

Repete
The reality is, we already do pay other peoples' heathcare.

What do you think that Medicare thing that is taken out of your paycheck is? :dork:

Do you think every person treated at the Emergency Room has health insurance? :dork:

Medicare is for those over 65 who paid into it their entire lives. In other words they pre-pay their insurance to the government.

You should know WTF you are talking about before you throw around the :dork:

Here is your sign, wear it proudly. :stupid:
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

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AndyMarquisLIVE

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so, they are getting rid of the medicare payment? besides, at least one day should I live long enough I will benefit from medicare, Im pretty sure that I will never see benefit from the dollars stolen from me to pay for insurance for those that dont work, or did not plan properly for their future.
Government's already told us Medicare and Social Security won't be around 40 years from now. You're a classic socialist. You're okay with it because you paid into it and will get it, but you don't care if others don't get the chance to pay into it.

You're already paying for the illegal immigrants' healthcare as well as the healthcare for some crackhead somewhere in great mills. Why shouldn't we help small businesses that can't afford it?

You righties have already said it should be up to the businesses to provide healthcare. Owe'Malley's just giving them the opportunitty to afford it.
 
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