Oprah the Baptist???

[Marie]

Oprah the Baptist proclaims there are many ways to God.
She also claims you don't need to believe in Jesus, just act like Him. And that is Baptist how???

Her true univeralisms shows as well as a lack of knoweledge.

http://www.watchman.org/oprah.wmv

 

[virgovictoria]

Oprah the Baptist proclaims there are many ways to God.

Her true univeralisms shows as well as a lack of knoweledge.

http://www.watchman.org/oprah.wmv

:shrug: I get it. Sounds like a very spiritual approach to being human. Were we watching the same clip?

She also claims you don't need to believe in Jesus, just act like Him. And that is Baptist how???

The clip was intended to give views about individual paths towards divine enlightenment. It is true, I will grant you, that you are probably enraged, such as the lady in the audience voicing her "truth" about Jesus, as you are devout in your beliefs. I feel that the video is showing talk about being true to yourself and your God, whoever your God may be and use Jesus (either as your Savior or as a scripted example) of how to treat others and approach life.

And, finally - as this forum allows for all religious devotions and opinions, you may want to reconsider your use of "the Baptist".

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Bap·tist /ˈbæptɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[bap-tist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a member of a Christian denomination that baptizes believers by immersion and that is usually Calvinistic in doctrine.
2. (lowercase) a person who baptizes.
3. the Baptist. John the Baptist.
–adjective 4. Also, Bap·tis·tic. of or pertaining to Baptists or their doctrines or practices.

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This Bap·tist (bāp'tĭst) Pronunciation Key
n.
A member of an evangelical Protestant church of congregational polity, following the reformed tradition in worship, and believing in individual freedom, in the separation of church and state, and in baptism of voluntary, conscious believers.
baptist One that baptizes.

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

Oprah the Baptist proclaims there are many ways to God.
She also claims you don't need to believe in Jesus, just act like Him. And that is Baptist how???

Her true univeralisms shows as well as a lack of knoweledge.

http://www.watchman.org/oprah.wmv

Well Oprah told it completely correct,

then the narrow minded white woman has to demand the Christian Orthodox way of believe them or else.

The clip is excellant in teaching the truth as Oprah knows it - cheers to Oprah.

 

[Marie]

And, finally - as this forum allows for all religious devotions and opinions, you may want to reconsider your use of "the Baptist".

I think you misunderstood If she was a true Baptist that would be great, but if shes a baptist I am an elf. As your defination states

A member of an evangelical Protestant church of congregational polity, following the reformed tradition in worship, and believing in individual freedom, in the separation of church and state, and in baptism of voluntary, conscious believers.
baptist One that baptizes.

She's so far from the reformed beliefs if she was any further left she would fall off the scale she is a propent of univeralism which is not even Christian, thats the point. She's selling a false Gospel and she may claim the name of the Baptist demonation but her beliefs are not Baptist beliefs!

 

[Xaquin44]

so she was basically just saying it's better to be a good person and taking your own path to enlightenment.

what's so bad about that?

I think it's funny that you would get offended by someone promoting good things.

 

[toppick08]

so she was basically just saying it's better to be a good person and taking your own path to enlightenment.

what's so bad about that?

I think it's funny that you would get offended by someone promoting good things.

She sounds like a back-pew Methodist.......

 

[Marie]

Well Oprah told it completely correct,

then the narrow minded white woman has to demand the Christian Orthodox way of believe them or else.

The clip is excellant in teaching the truth as Oprah knows it - cheers to Oprah.

Its also unbiblical, and not Christian! I do find it offensive when someone perverts the gospel, It shows mans arrogance to say I am not going to except Gods way and try to create my own.

<DIR>Gal 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--
Gal 1:7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
</DIR>Straight from Gods mouth
3 Do not have any other gods before Me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
<DIR><DIR>Mat 7:13 `Go ye in through the strait gate, because wide is the gate, and broad the way that is leading to the destruction, and many are those going in through it;
Mat 7:14 how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!
Mat 7:15 `But, take heed of the false prophets, who come unto you in sheep's clothing, and inwardly are ravening wolves.


<DIR>Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ--by grace you have been saved--
Eph 2:6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9[SIZE2] not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
</DIR></DIR></DIR>

Oprah can believe anything she wants, But then dont lie and call your self a Baptist or a Christian![/SIZE]

 

[Xaquin44]

oh even god didn't accept 'gods way' .... why else would he send his boy on down to make changes?

and in that vein, if he wants things done 'his way', then there is a whole lot of nothing that could stop him.

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

Its also unbiblical, and not Christian! I do find it offensive when someone perverts the gospel, It shows mans arrogance to say I am not going to except Gods way and try to create my own.



Oprah can believe anything she wants, But then dont lie and call your self a Baptist or a Christian!

Oprah knows what she is talking about - Oprah is a better "Baptist" and better "Christian" then what the Baptist are.

 

[virgovictoria]

Oprah can believe anything she wants, But then dont lie and call your self a Baptist or a Christian!

Honestly, I must be missing something. Does she claim her religion in the clip? Or have you heard her say, like so many others, "I was raised Baptist"?

I believe that you are devout in your faith. Thus, possibly spinning you up a bit about a media mogul "intervening" in your arena. However, a discussion on being a good person and having a good heart and a MUST BE a devout and practicing :insertreligionhere: would be two entirely different shows. And I don't believe she would get into religion - as she STATED IN THE CLIP - but would stick to a more spiritual topic.

So, I'm not sure where your source came from about being Baptist, but it didn't come from here... again, unless my media player or I missed it. :shrug:

 

[Marie]

Well Oprah told it completely correct,

then the narrow minded white woman has to demand the Christian Orthodox way of believe them or else.

The clip is excellant in teaching the truth as Oprah knows it - cheers to Oprah.

This was just sent to me via E-mail off another message board
Did You Know That It Started On Her Radio Show The First Of The Year?

"Oprah and Friends" exposed millions to new age
christianity on XM Satellite Radio starting
January 1st

Oprah Winfrey let out all the stops on her XM
Satellite Radio program this coming year.

Beginning January 1, 2008, "Oprah & Friends" offered
a year-long course on the New Age teachings of A
Course in Miracles.

A lesson a day throughout the year will completely
cover the 365 lessons from the Course in Miracles
"Workbook."

For example, Lesson #29 asks you to go through your
day affirming that "god is in everything I see."
Lesson #61 tells each person to repeat the affirmation
"I am the light of the world."

Lesson #70 teaches the student to say and believe "My
salvation comes from me." By the end of the year,
"Oprah & Friends" listeners will have completed all of
the lessons laid out in the Course in Miracles
Workbook.

Those who finish the Course will have a wholly
redefined spiritual mindset- a new age worldview that
includes the belief that

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there is n sin, no evil, no
devil, and that god is "in" everyone and everything.

A Course in Miracles teaches its students to rethink
everything they believe about God and life. The course
workbook bluntly states: "This is a course in mind
training" and is dedicated to "thought reversal."

Teaching A Course in Miracles will be Oprah's longtime
friend and special XM Satellite Radio reporter
Marianne Williamson-who also happens to be one of
today's premier new age leaders.

She and "Conversations with God" author Neale Donald
Walsch co-founded the American Renaissance Alliance in
1997, that later became the Global Renaissance
Alliance of New Age leaders, that changed its name
again in 2005 to the Peace Alliance.

This Peace Alliance seeks to usher in an era of global
peace founded on the principles of a new age/new
spirituality that they are now referring to as a
"civil rights movement for the soul."

They all agree that the principles of this new age/new
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new
spirituality are clearly articulated in A Course in
Miracles-which is fast becoming the new age bible.

So what is A Course in Miracles and what does it
teach? A Course in Miracles is allegedly "new
revelation" from "jesus" to help humanity work through
these troubled times.

In Truth, this "jesus"-who bears no doctrinal
resemblance to the Bible's Jesus -began delivering his
channeled teachings in 1965 to a Columbia University
Professor of Medical Psychology by the name of Helen
Schucman. One day Schucman heard an "inner voice"
stating, "This is a course in miracles. Please take
notes."

For seven years she diligently took spiritual
dictation from this inner voice that described himself
as "jesus."

A Course in Miracles was quietly published in 1975 by
the Foundation for Inner Peace. For many years "the
Course" was an underground cult classic for new age
seekers who studied "the Course" individually, with
friends, or in small study groups.

Here are
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quotes from the "jesus" of A Course in
Miracles:
* "There is no sin. . . "
* A "slain Christ has no meaning."
* "The journey to the cross should be the last
'useless journey ."
* "Do not make the pathetic error of 'clinging to the
old rugged cross.'"
* "The Name of Jesus Christ as such is but a symbol...
It is a symbol that is safely used as a replacement
for the many names of all the gods to which you pray."

* "god is in everything I see."
* "The recognition of god is the recognition of yourse
lf."
* "The oneness of the creator and the creation is your
wholeness, your sanity and your limitless power."
* "The Atonement is the final lesson he[man] need
learn, for it teaches him that, never having sinned,
he has no need of salvation."

Real Christians recognize that these teachings are the
opposite of what the Bible teaches.

At this critical time in the history of the world, the
new gospel/new spirituality is coming right at the
world and the church with
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with its new age teachings and
its new age peace plan. But this new age peace plan
has at its deceptive core the bottom-line teaching
from A Course in Miracles that "we are all one"
because god is "in" everyone and everything.

But the Bible is clear that we are not God (Ezekiel
28:2; Hosea 11:9). And per Galatians 3:26-28, our only
oneness is in Jesus Christ-not in ourselves as "God"
and "Christ."

What Oprah and Marianne Williamson and the world will
learn one day is that humanity's only real and lasting
peace is with the true Jesus Christ who is described
and quoted in the Holy Bible (Romans 5:1).

Oprah Winfrey's misplaced faith in Marianne Williamson
and the new age teachings of A Course in Miracles is a
sure sign of the times.

But an even surer sign of the times is that most
Christians arenot taking heed to what is happening in
the world and in the church. We are not contending for
the faith as the Bible admonishes us to do (Jude 3).

It is time for
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all church pastors/leaders to address
the real issues of the day.
"Oprah and Friends" to teach course on New Age Christ

By Warren Smith
November 2007
See also Reinventing Jesus Christ: The New Gospel
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My heritic friend, after reading this do you still want to back her??​

 

[Xaquin44]

oh I do love a good christian vs. christian throw down.

RAWR I'M HOLY AND JUST!

NO! I AM!

ME! MY IDEAS ARE THE CORRECT VERSION OF COMMANDS FROM A BEING I ADMIT I CAN'T FULLY COMPREHEND, AS IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE!

NO!

ME!


ahahahaha

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

oh I do love a good christian vs. christian throw down.

RAWR I'M HOLY AND JUST!

NO! I AM!

ME! MY IDEAS ARE THE CORRECT VERSION OF COMMANDS FROM A BEING I ADMIT I CAN'T FULLY COMPREHEND, AS IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE!

NO!

ME!


ahahahaha

I agree.

The Christians do not like Muslims, do not like Hindu or Buddhist, and then it turns out that Christians do not even like each other.

Jesus says to "love thy enemies" and Christians say "No way."

 

[Marie]

oh I do love a good christian vs. christian throw down.

I look at it altogether differently, If it was Christian Vs Christian than I would have a problem.
I look at it as exposining a Heritic! Someone claiming to be a Christian, and being so far removed from the tennets of the faith is serious.
Also false-teachers that could lead someone astray or straight to hell need to be brought to light.
How would you feel if someone you loved bought into these false teachings?
I dont want any of my friends or loved ones going to Hell because they bought into a false Gospel thinking it was ok.

If someone has heard the truth and they choose to reject it, thats one thing.
But there are alot of undiscipled, young, naive Christians, and seekers out there that need to know so there not mislead.

So I think its an act of kindness and very serious, that not only that people hear the Gospel, but here it correctly.

 

[Xaquin44]

I look at it altogether differently, If it was Christian Vs Christian than I would have a problem.
I look at it as exposining a Heritic! Someone claiming to be a Christian, and being so far removed from the tennets of the faith is serious.
Also false-teachers that could lead someone astray or straight to hell need to be brought to light.
How would you feel if someone you loved bought into these false teachings?
I dont want any of my friends or loved ones going to Hell because they bought into a false Gospel thinking it was ok.

If someone has heard the truth and they choose to reject it, thats one thing.
But there are alot of undiscipled, young, naive Christians, and seekers out there that need to know so there not mislead.

So I think its an act of kindness and very serious, that not only that people hear the Gospel, but here it correctly.

RAWR I'M RIGHT, AND THOSE WITH DIFFERENT TAKES ON 2,000 YEAR OLD TEXTS ARE WRONG AND HERETICS!

EVEN THOUGH THE MESSAGE WAS OF PEACE AND LOVE, IT WAS A FALSE TEACHING THAT JESUS (the biggest proponent of peace and love) WOULD ABHOR!

 

[Marie]

I agree.

The Christians do not like Muslims, do not like Hindu or Buddhist, and then it turns out that Christians do not even like each other.

Jesus says to "love thy enemies" and Christians say "No way."

So which side are you on? Ive heard you profess to be a Christian now it seems as if your not.

Also how dare you generalize all Christians with statements like that?

I would suggest that if you were a Christian, you would know that true Christians that are living there faith, and not just wearing a label, dont hate they love people enough to share the truth with them. Have you ever heard of Missionaries? These are folks that love people enough to give up everything to travel to foreing lands and cultures and religions to make sure they hear the Gospel.

Much like people have tried to do with you here. You have even been invited to come and walk with other Christians, to see people living their faith, into there homes, their activitives, their churches, and see what reality is like outside of the forums and you still say something so dumb? Maybe the hatred you see is comming from inside?

 

[Xaquin44]

Also how dare you generalize all Christians with statements like that?

you just generalized everyone that takes different meanings from the bible.

 

[camily]

I agree with Marie.
I still love Oprah.
Works alone don't get ya' through the pearly gates.
That is all.

 

[Xaquin44]

yes, why judge people by what they actually do?

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

yes, why judge people by what they actually do?

Yes, it matters little what a person believes if they treat others as inferior.

Or one with strange beliefs while their actions show respect and dignity to others.

The actions speak far louder and clearer then the words and so-called righteous beliefs.