Origins of Blue Laws

mAlice

professional daydreamer
Blue laws, or sabbath laws, are attempts by some Christians to enforce a traditional Christian sabbath as a legally mandated day of rest for everyone. Courts have permitted this, but it violates church-state separation for laws to give Sundays to those churches which treat it as special — priests have no business calling upon our government to give them and their religious sects privileged status. Sundays, like every other day of the week, belong to everybody — not just to Christian churches.

It has often been said that if you want to know where a law is going, then you should look at where it has come from. In America the earliest Sunday-closing laws date back to 1610 in the colony of Virginia. They included not simply the mandatory closing of businesses on Sundays, but also mandatory church service participation. Considering the comments made by some religious leaders today when they complain about the competition they have on Sundays, I have to wonder if they wouldn't approve of such steps again.

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mAlice

professional daydreamer
Legal enforcement of a "day of rest" was dormant until recent years, but cat-calls from the choir have been increasing. There is a subtext of anti-civil liberty ideology in defenses of blue laws. Efforts to recreate blue laws do not occur in a political or theological vacuum — they are part of a larger agenda to limit what people can do in the name of others' religious purity. If the state can forbid Sunday shopping because majority Christian sects prohibit it, what else will they prohibit?

In Massachusetts, the Council of Churches initiated a campaign to pressure governments, schools, businesses, and civic groups to "respect" the "religious tradition of our churches" when scheduling their activities. It's not necessary to respect or consider any other traditions, evidently — just the religious traditions of the dominant forms of Christianity. Of course, churches don't need to bother respecting anyone's traditions or needs when scheduling their activities.

New York's Roman Catholic Cardinal John O'Connor criticized athletic leagues and other city groups for daring to have events on Sundays and Catholic holy days. In his regular column in The New York Times in 1998, he complained that events like Little League games were replacing his traditional Sunday church services. Earlier he announced that he would boycott Major League Baseball because all 30 teams had played games on Good Friday, some during the time scheduled for Good Friday Mass.

So what?

Even his poor flock recognized that the Cardinal stepped over the line of good taste and decorum. Interviews in the papers revealed strong negative reactions: one man was quoted as saying "I don't think that anyone has the authority — hopefully not in this country — to tell you that... Everybody's got their beliefs, and perhaps he's (O'Connor) overstepping his bounds."

Cardinal John O'Connor was not alone in this. In 1991 and 1993, Cardinal Bernard Law of Boston wrote to then Massachusetts governor William Weld opposing Weld's plan to let stores open at 9 AM on Sundays instead of noon. Evidently, Law didn't think his churches could handle competition from Wal-Mart.

Pope John Paul II himself was involved in such efforts, too. In a 1991 encyclical issued, John Paul called upon governments around the world to recognize Sunday as the day of rest; he described this as "a human right, which is based upon a commandment." Funny, but I can't think of any human rights listed in any of the commandments. Sadly, it is all-too-common for some Christians to mistake their religious doctrines with "human rights." I find it curious that he thought his "day of rest" is a human right, but not the "day of rest" observed by other religions.

Pope John Paul II also urged leaders of the European Economic Commission to forcibly impose blue laws upon the citizens of Europe, with some success. He considered himself and his beliefs to be primary in the world marketplace — or at least the European marketplace — deserving a special position of support, recognition, and even enforcement. The last time the Catholic Church held such a position within Europe, it was a time of feudal repression, "the divine right of kings," bitter serfdom, and an absence of religious freedom. Is that what the Pope wanted to return to? European politics has progressed dramatically since those times, but has Rome? I doubt it.

If church leaders have trouble filling their pews, they should take a good look in the metaphorical mirror and figure out where they are going wrong such that people prefer other activities rather than church services. Falling attendance is the problem for the church leaders, not politicians. If religious leaders do their jobs properly, people will attend services regardless of alternative activities. Otherwise, people will choose different activities for their Sundays.

Guess which is currently happening?



Christians Against Religious Liberty
Throughout history, blue laws have been closely linked with religiously-biased social controls like anti-blasphemy and anti-obscenity regulations. Catholic and Protestant groups have worked to "safeguard public morality" through official endorsements of Sunday church services as well as the regulation of "immoral" books or art to enforce their religious ideology on the populace.

Any attempt to restrict people's activities on Sundays means that the government is telling people that it is better to attend church or accept a religiously mandated "rest day" than engage in normal commerce or socially oriented leisure activities. If the government uses the law to allow a Catholic church to operate but a Wal-Mart not, the message is unmistakable and unambiguous.

Why should my government tell me I should be in church rather than attending a ball game or shopping? It not only favors religion over non-religion, but necessarily favors some religions over others. Such measures are supported solely by those who do not genuinely value other people's freedom. Instead, they value their own religious dogmas over anything that another person might believe.

What would people say if theater owners demanded that other businesses and church activities be restricted to encourage people to attend movie showings? What if any business demanded that their activities be protected at the expense of all others? These priests and holier-than-thou pundits don't realize — or just don't want to believe — that a free and enlightened society must allow its citizens to freely choose what they do on Sundays.

If we want and deserve the kind of society where we have the freedom to choose and where options are not dictated by a few churches, then we must oppose efforts to impose religious ideology on us. Fortunately, most people — including most Christians — support their right to do as they will on Sundays, but political winds can shift. Ignoring the issue won't make it go away — it has to be brought out in the open and exposed for what it is.

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Larry Gude

Strung Out
You want something to worry about, you read up on Islam. That will be the next growing religious and cultural threat in the US, not Christians wanting bars closed on Sunday so you can go to church and drink wine.
 

Bavarian

New Member
There is also a secular reason for the Blue Laws. People need a day of rest. Stores do not need to be open 24 hrs a day, 365 1/4 days a year.

Having rock concerts on Good Friday from 12-3 PM is the work of Satan.
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
There is also a secular reason for the Blue Laws. People need a day of rest. Stores do not need to be open 24 hrs a day, 365 1/4 days a year.

Having rock concerts on Good Friday from 12-3 PM is the work of Satan.

Christians Against Religious Liberty
Throughout history, blue laws have been closely linked with religiously-biased social controls like anti-blasphemy and anti-obscenity regulations. Catholic and Protestant groups have worked to "safeguard public morality" through official endorsements of Sunday church services as well as the regulation of "immoral" books or art to enforce their religious ideology on the populace.

Any attempt to restrict people's activities on Sundays means that the government is telling people that it is better to attend church or accept a religiously mandated "rest day" than engage in normal commerce or socially oriented leisure activities. If the government uses the law to allow a Catholic church to operate but a Wal-Mart not, the message is unmistakable and unambiguous.

Why should my government tell me I should be in church rather than attending a ball game or shopping? It not only favors religion over non-religion, but necessarily favors some religions over others. Such measures are supported solely by those who do not genuinely value other people's freedom. Instead, they value their own religious dogmas over anything that another person might believe.

What would people say if theater owners demanded that other businesses and church activities be restricted to encourage people to attend movie showings? What if any business demanded that their activities be protected at the expense of all others? These priests and holier-than-thou pundits don't realize — or just don't want to believe — that a free and enlightened society must allow its citizens to freely choose what they do on Sundays.

If we want and deserve the kind of society where we have the freedom to choose and where options are not dictated by a few churches, then we must oppose efforts to impose religious ideology on us. Fortunately, most people — including most Christians — support their right to do as they will on Sundays, but political winds can shift. Ignoring the issue won't make it go away — it has to be brought out in the open and exposed for what it is.

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mAlice

professional daydreamer
There is also a secular reason for the Blue Laws. People need a day of rest. Stores do not need to be open 24 hrs a day, 365 1/4 days a year.

Having rock concerts on Good Friday from 12-3 PM is the work of Satan.

New York's Roman Catholic Cardinal John O'Connor criticized athletic leagues and other city groups for daring to have events on Sundays and Catholic holy days. In his regular column in The New York Times in 1998, he complained that events like Little League games were replacing his traditional Sunday church services. Earlier he announced that he would boycott Major League Baseball because all 30 teams had played games on Good Friday, some during the time scheduled for Good Friday Mass.

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Nucklesack

New Member
New York's Roman Catholic Cardinal John O'Connor criticized athletic leagues and other city groups for daring to have events on Sundays and Catholic holy days. In his regular column in The New York Times in 1998, he complained that events like Little League games were replacing his traditional Sunday church services. Earlier he announced that he would boycott Major League Baseball because all 30 teams had played games on Good Friday, some during the time scheduled for Good Friday Mass.

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Think Piece


I was speaking to a man the other day and he said something that made sense.

He said the problem with America today is that we need to close the stores on Sunday.

The people at the stores would have a day to go to Church or spend time with family, instead of running to the store, or working there.

These same people who go to the store on Sunday would eventually buy the same things and spend the same money on another day, but Sunday would be a family day.​
 

Shawn

New Member
Having worked retail and in restaurants I assure you that there are plenty of Christians that prefer that others work Sundays.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
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Think Piece


I was speaking to a man the other day and he said something that made sense.

He said the problem with America today is that we need to close the stores on Sunday.

The people at the stores would have a day to go to Church or spend time with family, instead of running to the store, or working there.

These same people who go to the store on Sunday would eventually buy the same things and spend the same money on another day, but Sunday would be a family day.​


If the stores are closed on Sunday, I'll just get in trouble because I'll have nothing else to do..

and to say that the money will be spent some other day is BS..

If I don't go out to eat at Ruby Tuesdays on Sunday, I can't go back up there on Monday or Tuesday to eat there..

Mormons are the only ones I know of (probably 7th Days too) that it's against the church rules to go out to eat or even shop on Sunday.. They do, but they aren't supposed to.
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
Mormons are the only ones I know of (probably 7th Days too) that it's against the church rules to go out to eat or even shop on Sunday.. They do, but they aren't supposed to.


This is another thing I've never understood....You're supposed to practice this day of rest thing, but you can't go out to eat? Who's cooking?
 

VoteJP

J.P. Cusick
Blog-o-sphere

You want something to worry about, you read up on Islam. That will be the next growing religious and cultural threat in the US, not Christians wanting bars closed on Sunday so you can go to church and drink wine.

I agree with this one as the Muslims are very strict.

They do not like drugs or drunks or infidelity or fornicating and dress codes and much more.

Plus they do not say one-day-per-week like the blue laws are only Sundays, because Islam is 7 days a week and 24 hours every day laws.

And I agree that the same applies here in the USA as when Muslims open a Mosque here then they do not let drug dealers hang around and they do bring a strictness to their communities just by being there without it being done in any civil laws.

This includes my compliments to Islam as it is a strong and strict religion.


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glitch

Devil's Advocate
I agree with this one as the Muslims are very strict.

They do not like drugs or drunks or infidelity or fornicating and dress codes and much more.

Plus they do not say one-day-per-week like the blue laws are only Sundays, because Islam is 7 days a week and 24 hours every day laws.

And I agree that the same applies here in the USA as when Muslims open a Mosque here then they do not let drug dealers hang around and they do bring a strictness to their communities just by being there without it being done in any civil laws.

This includes my compliments to Islam as it is a strong and strict religion.


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Be careful with generalizations like that. If you're truly interested in Islam, read up on Turkey. They're an Islamic nation (99% of the population) that practices a separation between church and state much like the United States does.
 

VoteJP

J.P. Cusick
Blog-o-sphere

Be careful with generalizations like that. If you're truly interested in Islam, read up on Turkey. They're an Islamic nation (99% of the population) that practices a separation between church and state much like the United States does.

Okay, I agree, and Islam is a huge and diversified religion.

But I would say that the Muslims here in the USA act as separation of Church and State as Muslims would never ask for some Islamic style blue laws from the State.

And I do believe many Christian Churches here would like to bring back blue laws big time if they could.


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Beta84

They're out to get us
There is also a secular reason for the Blue Laws. People need a day of rest. Stores do not need to be open 24 hrs a day, 365 1/4 days a year.

Having rock concerts on Good Friday from 12-3 PM is the work of Satan.

ok then lets make saturday the day of rest if we're gonna be secular about it.

Okay, I agree, and Islam is a huge and diversified religion.

But I would say that the Muslims here in the USA act as separation of Church and State as Muslims would never ask for some Islamic style blue laws from the State.

And I do believe many Christian Churches here would like to bring back blue laws big time if they could.


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I'm not saying Muslims would, but I know one reason they don't is because they're a distinct minority. If they were a majority or plurality then they might try to press their religion, just as the majority Christians do. Whoever is majority always tries this, that's just how it is.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
This is another thing I've never understood....You're supposed to practice this day of rest thing, but you can't go out to eat? Who's cooking?

They also say no fishing, no hunting..etc.. etc..

What a better way to spend a Sunday than with the kids fishing?? Oudoors, getting fresh air..
 

Zguy28

New Member
New York's Roman Catholic Cardinal John O'Connor criticized athletic leagues and other city groups for daring to have events on Sundays and Catholic holy days. In his regular column in The New York Times in 1998, he complained that events like Little League games were replacing his traditional Sunday church services. Earlier he announced that he would boycott Major League Baseball because all 30 teams had played games on Good Friday, some during the time scheduled for Good Friday Mass.

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Nothing wrong with this. Its free speech. He can criticize away.

I feel the same way about sports on Sundays. I can encourage folks to change it as much as I want. That's my right. Whether they do or not is their right also.
 

Zguy28

New Member
ok then lets make saturday the day of rest if we're gonna be secular about it.
That is the real Sabbath and the biblical "day of rest". The Jews practice it still.

Many Christians have confused the Lord's Day and the fellowship supposed to go along with it with the Sabbath practiced by the early church (who were Jews).



I'm not saying Muslims would, but I know one reason they don't is because they're a distinct minority. If they were a majority or plurality then they might try to press their religion, just as the majority Christians do. Whoever is majority always tries this, that's just how it is.
That's just the way people are.
 

Beta84

They're out to get us
That is the real Sabbath and the biblical "day of rest". The Jews practice it still.

Many Christians have confused the Lord's Day and the fellowship supposed to go along with it with the Sabbath practiced by the early church (who were Jews).



That's just the way people are.

I'm aware about Saturday, that was half of the reason I made the comment :lol:

The other half of the reason was because I figured if someone wanted to say that his reasons were secular, that there is no difference between Saturday and Sunday. In fact, Saturday would be a better resting day because most people just finished a week of work and rest should be at the conclusion of that week.
 
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