Our Great Dane is sick - Advise needed!

Hi,

My lil girl is really sick and is withering away to nothing.

She is a 2 year old Great Dane. I need to take her to a vet who is familiar with Great Dane's to get a second opinion. Not that I don't trust who I am currently taking her to but we have exhausted all leads and her illness is still unknown. I am afraid she is dying.

Isabelle
2 years old- born 08/03/06
Last normal weight was 110 and she is now at 78. She has been down to 75lbs.

Her diet was Natural Balance dry kibble, moist mighty dog (only moist food she would eat), and occasional table scraps from my hubby when I wasn’t looking.

Isabelle has not been spayed. She had her first heat at 8 months old and again on 03/07/08. She is up to date on all of her shots. She is primarily an indoor dog, she does spends a few hours a day in her pen outside and has 2 runs that she uses also.

Visit to the Vet when she started getting sick- 05/27
Symptoms:
· Eating slowly decreasing- then slowly started eating ¼ of her normal intake.
· Swollen nipples

Vet said that it could possibly be a false pregnancy. But she showed no other symptoms other than swollen nipples. (she was not lactating)

Her symptoms steadily became more frequent and more severe. She will have an ok day one day then the next 2 or 3 days she will be sick. Or she would go 4 days of feeling ok then have a week of feeling really bad.


· Started getting really picky about food- then her eating decreased – then she stopped eating
· Drinking decreased- then wouldn’t drink
· Loss of energy- not wanting to play- sometimes seeming lethargic
· When she is feeling back she looks like her joints are stiff when she gets up from sleeping.
· Occasionally making gurgling noises. (sounded like she was clearing her throat) Now she occasionally will make a slight grunt noise. When they do happen, they happen when she sits or turns.
· Diarrhea - only one time
· Vomited/Regurgitated- only one time
· Fever of 105- on the second visit
· When she got really sick and had the fever she could not get up on the couch or bed- had to be helped. She does this when she is feeling really bad and is not eating or drinking at all. She also looks lethargic.
· She will not lean her head down to eat or pick anything up off the floor when she is feeling bad. (Her food bowl and water bowl are elevated)
· When she walks to her food bowl she doesn’t walk straight up to it, she will circle it, then go up to it. Most of the time looking hesitant.


Isabelle has seen 3 different Vets and an Internal Medicine specialist in Annapolis and no one knows what could be wrong with her. She is miserable and I can see it in her eyes.

They have thought it could be: MegaEsophogus , esophagitis, gastritis, pneumonia because of a darker spot on her lung that showed up on her xray, and inflammatory bowel disease.

I asked that she be tested for ehrlichea, tick born diseases, addisons- pretty much anything I could find on the DOL forums that resembled what Izzy was experiencing. All of the tests came back negative. The endoscopy showed slight redness but not enough to warrant her symptoms, she has had an abdominal ultrasound which showed nothing as well. We are now waiting for the results of her joint tap to come back.
Her liver & kidney tests came back ok- as well as all 3 CBC, 3 urinalysis, and 2 fecal exams. She has also had 4 chest x-rays and an abdominal ultrasound. All off the tests came back within normal range.

She is/was on the following medicine:


· Zeniquin- 100mg a day -Was on this for 2 weeks.
· Sucralfate- (Carafate)- 1 GM tablet dissolved- three times a day for 2 weeks
· Famotidine 20mg- 1 tablet twice a day- still taking
· Prednisone- 20mg- give 2 tablets once a day- still taking
· Mirtrazapine- 30mg- 1 tablet a day. Still taking - Just started taking 08/15

We need help! We have been trying to help her for almost 3 month's now, $5,000 later and our baby is still very sick. Are there any vet's in the St. Mary's county area who are familiar with Great Dane's that could possibly help.
 
It's common for a Lymes test to come back negative but dog is suffering and showing numerous symptoms. Please look up Lymes disease symptoms in dogs and read it carefully. If sure sounds similar to what your dog is going thru to me. A course of antibiotics required to treat Lymes may be what your pup needs. Good luck.
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
Sure sounds like a chronic case of ehrlichia. Did your vet just do a "snap" test to diagnose? I'd get her to the this place http://www.aavec.com/ and have them do a more sophisticated blood test to determine what type of ehrlichia is present, if at all, as well as any other tests, etc. they recommend. If she's had it for some time, she won't test positive.

Ehrlichia is far worse than Lyme disease and if not treated, is often fatal.

Good luck!
 
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Pasofever

Does my butt look big?
Sorry I have no idea...105 and that much weight loss...she is sure a sick puppy..good luck..Wish I could help ya..:huggy:
 

belvak

Happy Camper
Good luck with getting your dog back to health! When the kids were little, we had a day care provider with a Great Dane, and that was one Sweetheart of a dog! She was so loving and protective of the kids. Hope yours is back on track and feeling better soon! :huggy:
 

Ladybug76

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We need help! We have been trying to help her for almost 3 month's now, $5,000 later and our baby is still very sick. Are there any vet's in the St. Mary's county area who are familiar with Great Dane's that could possibly help.

I am so sorry for you and Isabelle! A few months ago our very healthy 5-year-old lab became ill after a stay at a kennel and we took her to Waldorf Animal Hospital/Veterinary Referral Center. She had round-the-clock care for over 7 days. We spent $4000 and were never able to find out what was really wrong with her, but they were great and did everything they could.

She did get better, but it was a painful time for our family. I cried for a week. Watching your pet suffer and not being able to do anything is awful. Her symptoms were similar (vomiting, diarreah, grunting, lethargic, etc.) and they also did the ultrasound, x-rays, bloodtests, etc. She was scheduled to have exploratory surgery when she finally started showing some improvement.

I wish you the very best and hope that you can find some help for Isabelle. Keep us updated--I will say a prayer for her. :huggy:
 
I was told there was no difference between the snap test and the test that they send up the road for analysis. If she showed negative on the snap test then the other test would be the same. I was told if any of her results were questionable then they would recommend us giving her the full analysis test. It didn't even dawn on me that she was on the antiobiotics at the time but they told me her test was negative. Does the CITE 4DX x test for all tick borne diseases including Lyme and ehrlichia? I am really second guessing everything now.



Sure sounds like a chronic case of ehrlichia. Did your vet just do a "snap" test to diagnose? I'd get her to the this place http://www.aavec.com/ and have them do a more sophisticated blood test to determine what type of ehrlichia is present, if at all, as well as any other tests, etc. they recommend. If she's had it for some time, she won't test positive.

Ehrlichia is far worse than Lyme disease and if not treated, is often fatal.

Good luck!
 
We were referred by our vet to take her Atlantic (Anne Arundel Emergency). She saw she an internal medicine specialist 4 days ago. But none of the doctors she has seen have ever questioned any of the testing she had previously had, even though she was on medications at the time of her testing. I just dont know how much steroids and antiobiotics would alter her test results. They all said it would alter her test results but no one has taken her off the medication to re-test her. Thats why I still think in my heart of hearts it still could be Addison's or Ehrlichia.

I am scared to take her off of the steroids. If it is addison's, she will get alot worse, she is only on 40mg right now which is a small dosage for her size but it is also the treatment for addisons. Do I ask them to double it up to see if it helps her or ask them to take her off of it??? I just dont know.
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
We were referred by our vet to take her Atlantic (Anne Arundel Emergency). She saw she an internal medicine specialist 4 days ago. But none of the doctors she has seen have ever questioned any of the testing she had previously had, even though she was on medications at the time of her testing. I just dont know how much steroids and antiobiotics would alter her test results. They all said it would alter her test results but no one has taken her off the medication to re-test her. Thats why I still think in my heart of hearts it still could be Addison's or Ehrlichia.

I am scared to take her off of the steroids. If it is addison's, she will get alot worse, she is only on 40mg right now which is a small dosage for her size but it is also the treatment for addisons. Do I ask them to double it up to see if it helps her or ask them to take her off of it??? I just dont know.


I'm sorry you are having such a difficult time. I am of the belief that a lot of the drugs, i.e. steroids, that we give our pets can only complicate issues and make them sicker.

Did you get her from a breeder? If so, perhaps they can suggest something..or maybe there's a genetic issue they're aware of. If money isn't an object, I really think I'd get back to a specialist (maybe even somebody that has a holistic view) and start the process over again. I've found that vets are open to listening to owners regarding how to treat their pets and welcome questions. Maybe give Annapolis another try and be assertive in the direction YOU want for the treatment of your girl.

I'm giving you a site to look at. Marina is wonderful and may be able to offer you some advice. She's not a vet, however, but maybe she can give you some suggestions and offer you help with what to discuss with your vet.

NaturalRearing.com ~ Home


I wish the best for you and your dog.
 
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Cowgirl

Well-Known Member
Oh shoot. My friend's Dane had some of the same issues yours has. She was a healthy weight around 120, and she went down to about 80. I'm racking my brain trying to remember what she had. I'll post back later if I remember.

My friend put her dog on meds, which improved things. Unfortunately, her dog lost the battle about 2 weeks ago. :frown: She was only 5 or 6.
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
Oh shoot. My friend's Dane had some of the same issues yours has. She was a healthy weight around 120, and she went down to about 80. I'm racking my brain trying to remember what she had. I'll post back later if I remember.

My friend put her dog on meds, which improved things. Unfortunately, her dog lost the battle about 2 weeks ago. :frown: She was only 5 or 6.

:frown:

Danes don't live very long ....7-9 is considered a long life. Such a shame because they're wonderful animals.
 

Cowgirl

Well-Known Member
Her Dane had IBD and a problem with either her adrenal or pituitary gland. My friend is sorta beating herself up over it, because without meds, her dog would have died, but the meds were also very hard on her body. The results of the necropsy confirmed sepsis and shock and a necrotic liver due to all of the immunosuppressive drugs she was on.
 

calgirl

New Member
Sounds like Lyme disease to me, too! It can't hurt her to treat her for it. Test do usually come back negative. Poor girl. I hope she gets better.
 

dachsom

New Member
The antibiotics and steroids can affect the test results. I know this may be a long way to go but down in Raleigh, NC, there is a veterinary school. I had a dachsund that I took their for a disc problem. They operated on him and $8000.00 later he came home as if nothing was ever wrong with him. Unfortunately, after a month or so, he ruptured another disc. The doctors and staff at NC Vet operated on him again, waived all of their fees, but after a month in the hospital, we lost him. I will be so ever grateful to them for their efforts and compassion (and the fact that they wrote off the first $8000.00).
 

Cowgirl

Well-Known Member
The antibiotics and steroids can affect the test results. I know this may be a long way to go but down in Raleigh, NC, there is a veterinary school. I had a dachsund that I took their for a disc problem. They operated on him and $8000.00 later he came home as if nothing was ever wrong with him. Unfortunately, after a month or so, he ruptured another disc. The doctors and staff at NC Vet operated on him again, waived all of their fees, but after a month in the hospital, we lost him. I will be so ever grateful to them for their efforts and compassion (and the fact that they wrote off the first $8000.00).

A month in the hospital? I couldn't do that to my dog.
 

Ladybug76

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A month in the hospital? I couldn't do that to my dog.

It's difficult to know when to draw the line. Our dog was miserable after a week in the hospital. They even told us that it was better if we didn't come visit because after we would leave she would cry for hours. We knew that we were reaching a point where a decision would have to be made. Trying to decide when you and they have had enough is a terrible one to be faced with. I'm glad she got better, but it was heartbreaking to go through!
 

torphichen

New Member
Great Dane

I agree does sound like Lyme, I would have gone ahead and treated my dog even if the test was negative. Also I would have had them do an exploratory operation to see if they could find anything that way. You could also try the vet college at the University of Pennsylvania.
 

dachsom

New Member
It's difficult to know when to draw the line. Our dog was miserable after a week in the hospital. They even told us that it was better if we didn't come visit because after we would leave she would cry for hours. We knew that we were reaching a point where a decision would have to be made. Trying to decide when you and they have had enough is a terrible one to be faced with. I'm glad she got better, but it was heartbreaking to go through!

He was there for recovery and physical therapy and had an excellent prognosis. I would go everyday to work with the therapist and to everyone's surprise, he got better. Two days before we were to bring him home, he woke up with his back legs paralyzed (sp?). We decided then to put him down instead of more surgery. The vets wanted to try something new on him but enough was enough.
 
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