Paying more is not always smarter

Sharon

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Aside from recognizing that they're all beauty brands, you probably don't often link Kiehl's, Maybelline and La Roche-Posay. Or Olay, Covergirl and SK-II. Or La Mer, MAC and Clinique. Each of these brands has a very clear, unique identity that is defined by what kind of products they make, where they're sold, how they're priced, what kind of person buys them, how they're packaged, and a number of other factors.

But that's only because the marketers behind these major brands have been so successful in conditioning consumers to think about the brand in these terms. What we're encouraged to ignore is that each of these brand groupings is owned by the same corporation. Kiehl's, Maybelline and La Roche-Posay couldn't be more different brands, but they're all owned and produced by L'Oreal. Same goes for Olay, Covergirl and SK-II, all Proctor & Gamble brands. And if you thought that Estee Lauder was only a department store makeup brand, you might be surprised to learn that the company owns 27 beauty brands, including La Mer, MAC and Clinique.

The beauty industry is dominated by a few key players, all multi-billion dollar corporations with ownership over multiple major brands. Here's how it breaks down:

L'Oreal: 2005 revenues of $19.78 billion U.S. dollars. Only owns cosmetics, haircare and fragrance brands (29 in total).

Brands: Kérastase, L'Oréal Professionnel, L'Oréal Technique, Matrix, Mizani, Redken, L'Oréal Paris, Garnier, Maybelline New York, SoftSheen-Carson, Biotherm, The Body Shop, Cacharel, Diesel Perfumes, Giorgio Armani Parfums and Cosmetics, Guy Laroche, Helena Rubinstein, Kiehl's, Lancôme, Paloma Picasso, Ralph Lauren, Shu Uemura, Victor et Rolf parfum, Dermablend, La Roche-Posay, SkinCeuticals, Vichy Laboratoires, Innéov, Ombrelle.

Proctor & Gamble:
2006 revenues of $68.222 billion U.S. dollars (this includes all brands). Beauty sales alone equaled $21.1 billion. P&G sells many different kinds of consumer products (their brands range from Tide to Gillette to Pampers to Iams to Tampax and many, many more). You can read the entire listhere

Beauty brands: Gillette, Head & Shoulders, Olay, Pantene, Wella, Aussie, Clairol, CoverGirl, Herbal Essences, Infusium 23, Ivory Soap, Max Factor, Natural Instincts, Nice'n Easy, Noxzema, Secret, SK-II, Vidal Sassoon.

Estee Lauder: 2006 revenues of $6.746 billion U.S. dollars. Only sells cosmetics, haircare and fragrance products.

Brands: American Beauty, Aramis, Aveda, Bobbi Brown, Bumble and bumble, Clinique, Daisy Fuentes, Darphin, Donald Trump The Fragrance, Donna Karan, Estée Lauder, Flirt!, Good Skin, Grassroots, Jo Malone, Lab Series, La Mer, Kiton, MAC Cosmetics, Michael Kors, MISSONI, Origins, Prescriptives, Rodan and Fields, Sean John, Tommy Hilfiger, Coach Fragrances.

Unilever: 2006 revenus of $53.97 billion U.S. dollars. Sells food, beverage, cleaning and personal care consumer products.

Beauty brands:
Caress, Degree, Dove, Lever 2000, Pond's, Suave, Sunsilk, Vaseline.

Johnson & Johnson: 2006 revenues of $53 billion U.S. dollars. Manufactures consumer packaged goods, pharmaceuticals and medical devices.

Beauty brands: Aveeno, Clean and Clear, Neutrogena.

Avon: 2006 revenues of $8.1 billion U.S. dollars. Sells cosmetics, fragrances and some clothing and jewelry.

Beauty brands: Avon Color, Anew and Solutions, Skin So Soft and Naturals, Avon Fragrances, mark.

Certainly there are other important corporations that stand alone, such as Revlon (2006 revenues of $1.33 billion). But when you consider just how many brands are controlled by a few companies, it's pretty mindboggling.

So what good is this information and how does it useful to you as a consumer?

I've always argued that the more you know about beauty products and the beauty industry, the smarter your purchases will be. When you consider that the huge team of people doing research and development for L'Oreal are developing formulas that can be used in Garnier shampoo ($3.99) and Kerastase shampoo ($29.99), you realize that it's a good idea to start comparing products at different price points. Often two products from two different brands will have the same patent number (Pantene and Herbal Essence conditioners, for example). The difference is in the non-active ingredients, which give it a unique texture, scent, color, etc.

To double check on this, I e-mailed my two favorite cosmetics scientists, The Beauty Brains. They said that major companies (like the ones I've listed above) often save money by using the same formulas in multiple brands, which allows them to get price breaks on raw materials. Sometimes companies will use more expensive or better active ingredients in their luxury brands (the fact that they're active ingredients is key... they can spend all the money they want on fancy extracts and organic ingredients, but they won't make a difference in how the product works), but the truth is that more expensive formulas do not cost companies much more to create.

The price comes from the fact that you expect to pay a high price for a luxury brand. Don't you often automatically assume that a gorgeous bottle of $60 eye cream sold at a Saks counter is going to work better than the $1.99 tube on the clearance rack at CVS? It's all psychological.

So before you go and splurge on an expensive product, take the time to compare it to a similar product from one of their sister brands. Usually an online store (like Drugstore.com ) will list the ingredients. You can then check out a site like The Beauty Brains or cosmetics cop Paula's Begoun, who has an ingredient dictionary and reviews of products. Makeup Alley is also a great resource, as you can read tons of reviews or ask questions to the extremely knowledgeable message board posters.

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Sharon

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This is true for most consumer products.
appliances, soap, lawn mowers, etc.

It depends on the product. The cheaper canned green beans might taste the same but you'll notice more stalks in the can or something like that.

As for appliances I don't buy some of them at Walmart because they are "made" for Walmart. Usually you can tell because the serial number has a W in it. In the past I've found certain items to be of cheaper quality.
 
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HouseCat

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As for appliances I don't buy some of them at Walmart because they are "made" for Walmart. Usually you can tell because the serial number has a W in it. In the past I've found certain items to be of cheaper quality.
Yes, this is true.

Interesting read on the makeup business. You're well informed. I used to buy that expensive Estee Lauder stuff, and after a while I realized ol Maybelline does the same job just as well.

It's funny because they'll advertise some new thing to be of high quality, and do this/that 10 times better. And most people want to believe it so bad, they'll swear up and down its all the rave! Without trying to disprove anyone or start a pissing contest...I'll just say I tried a popular new item on the market that everyone is swearing works.... with an open mind, I compared the results of the cheaper stuff I bought off the shelf at a dept. store...then looked at the results of the consultants make-over I purchased. NO difference.

Then again,.. I probably have more experience applying makeup. Getting ready in the morning is like restoring and old car sometimes and I do know how to paint the old barn quite well. Ha! :lmao:

Point is... I see very few new things on the market that actually work as advertised. Like you mentioned, fancy packaging and a great advertising campaign will sell millions regardless of the product's performance. For a while, anyway. By the time people realize it doesn't work...the company has something new and improved out.
 

Dymphna

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It depends on the product. The cheaper canned green beans might taste the same but you'll notice more stalks in the can or something like that.

As for appliances I don't buy some of them at Walmart because they are "made" for Walmart. Usually you can tell because the serial number has a W in it. In the past I've found certain items to be of cheaper quality.
That is very true of Walmart. I was reading an article several years ago about how Walmart gets lower prices on things by threatening the manufacturers that they won't sell certain things unless they can get the price down to a certain level. Many companies have responded by cutting corners. I noticed when my kids were little for example, that Carter's baby clothes developed a "made for Walmart" line that was noticably inferior. We had a Carter's outlet near where we used to live, so I had a lot of their good stuff.

Now that my kids are older, I still notice issues with clothes...I don't shop at Walmart for kids' clothes anymore, but the relatives do...I noticed that my son had a pair of Walmart brand jeans and a pair we bought at Kohls that are the same size. The Walmart brand is an inch shorter....unfortunately, I recently noticed the same thing about Target brand, so they are starting to play that game too. :ohwell:
 

sadkins3

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Not as simple as that...

While insightful, the information provided isn't completely on the mark. I am an insider for one of the professional beauty companies mentioned. From a manufacturer standpoint, even though different companies are owned by the same parent company, it does NOT mean that they share technology.

For instance, the haircolor found on the drug store shelf and the one found in a salon does NOT have the same technology. In shampoos and conditioners, the story is the same. Many drug store brands use animal proteins that can over proteinize the hair, making it brittle and dry. They are usually very alkaline, disturbing the natural acid mantle of the hair and scalp, which leads to moisture loss, color loss, frizzies, etc. They camouflage this with waxes that in the short term feel good, but in the long term build up. That causes flat, lifeless, dull hair and interferes with all future chemical processes if it's not corrected first. A reputable professional brand uses far more advanced, and sometimes expensive, technology and research to produce superior results.

Some ladies just don't mind. Hair, skin, beauty is just not that important to them. It's not wrong...it just is what it is. But they don't "value" the superior products that are offered professionally. There are different consumers out there and different markets and companies do offer different brands to reach different markets. That's just smart business. However, you can be sure that those companies within the parent organization do not share technologies. That is what sets them apart.

Just from my professional experience....hope this helps.
 

JandJ

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You get what you pay for period

Although there are only a few major players as stated, it is a misconception that they "trade" formulas etc...it would be more accurate to state they "pass" down formulas etc...in other words as they continue to push forward in the technology involved in creating better products, they will then pass the old technology down the line to the over the counter products. Just like computers...


And as far as hair and skin care products, the difference that I have always found is how long the effects last in/on the hair and their effectiveness...like sadkins said, they less you pay the more inferior the product...

I say this not as a supporter for big business believe me
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