Larry Gude
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...what is the first thing you think of when you hear "Pearl Harbor"?
Pearl Harbor...
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Hessian
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curious Poll Larry...
The Gingrich analogy is a bit of a stretch, but is that the way some in the media see it?...Was that "disaster" an oversight? a blunder? A cause for firing some of the staff?
anyway....it was a super Tuesday Loss for Gingrich...I believe leaving only Paul & Romney on the ballot there,...I'd guess that means Paul will not be dropping out anytime soon, AND...Voter turn out in Va might be disappointing.
Nagumo missed the carriers....and look what happened!
The Gingrich analogy is a bit of a stretch, but is that the way some in the media see it?...Was that "disaster" an oversight? a blunder? A cause for firing some of the staff?
anyway....it was a super Tuesday Loss for Gingrich...I believe leaving only Paul & Romney on the ballot there,...I'd guess that means Paul will not be dropping out anytime soon, AND...Voter turn out in Va might be disappointing.
Nagumo missed the carriers....and look what happened!
Larry Gude
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Newt claimed to have been 'Pearl Harbored' by Virginia, thinking he was on the ballot and all was well only to find out otherwise.
Baja28
Obama destroyed America
Edumacate me.... How do you get on the ballot? I thought if you declared yourself running, you were on it automatically. Guess not. Did he neglect to do something to be put on the ballot? Does he have any recourse? Doesn't seem very fair at all unless he was negligent in some way.Newt claimed to have been 'Pearl Harbored' by Virginia, thinking he was on the ballot and all was well only to find out otherwise.
Hessian
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10,000 signatures
were needed to get on the ballot...but although that is a minor inconvenience, what is more troubling is that it is an open primary: Nutcase OWS, Unions, LBGT crowd get out the vote to screw up our nomination process.
We need closed primaries, with relatively easy qualification-period.
were needed to get on the ballot...but although that is a minor inconvenience, what is more troubling is that it is an open primary: Nutcase OWS, Unions, LBGT crowd get out the vote to screw up our nomination process.
We need closed primaries, with relatively easy qualification-period.
Larry Gude
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Short version; you have to get X signatures in Virginia to get on the primary ballot the route Newt was following. I do not know all the details. He, Newt, thought they'd done what was needed. VA has said otherwise and now Newt is comparing this surprise to Pearl Harbor.
I do not know if Newt followed the rules properly or not. I am guessing not. I don't know if he was given good news from the state only to find out otherwise. Newt seems to feel this is an appropriate way to express the situation as he sees it.
Larry Gude
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Why wouldn't open primaries be the best way to go? That means while I might want Ghengis Khan, others could thwart that just as if they want Stalin I can thwart them.
In the end, anyone who REALLY bothers the other side like, oh, Barrack Obama, have no chance.
Closed primaries serve ONLY the interests of the parties. Open primaries, we'd need NO parties. We'd have something akin to the GOP primary this year; a whole bunch of debates and sorting out.
Have we not had our fill of parties yet?
Lurk
Happy Creepy Ass Cracka
As an open primary and with the opposition having a no-contest step-over, it makes the Virginia primary somewhat meaningless on the national stage. If the nutjobs are activated, they'll vote in the GOP primary and confound the results.
jrt_ms1995
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Since he had it easy as a Republican and still got tripped up, I'm sure Newt will now be all in favor of removing the additional impediments to ballot access third parties face.
Baja28
Obama destroyed America
Thanks Hess. I learned more.... you need 10,000 siggys, 400 from each district AND they must be obtained by state residents.
I hear scuttlebutt of a winable lawsuit forthcoming.
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Tilted
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Where's the 'dang, Kate Beckinsale is cute' option?
awpitt
Main Streeter
Primaries are a function of the parties. If we didn't have parties, we wouldn't have primaries. There would be the general election and, if needed, a run off.
awpitt
Main Streeter
In VA, the candidate must have at least 10,000 signatures. Within those 10,000 signatures, there must be at least 400 from each of VA's congressional districts. I think this is where Newt's folks missed the boat.
Larry Gude
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I may not be communicating here. If we have open primaries then people willing to take the time will tend to hold the parties more accountable to a main stream view. The parties have the imprimatur of their primaries being official government functions and, frankly, they pretty much are. I am suggesting we say to them all; if you are using the government, and you are, then you have to have open primaries.
I think with open primaries a Reagan and a Clinton still get there. I think people like Obama and Gore and Dubbya don't. One things for sure, the left and right bases will no longer be genuflected to during the primaries.
And will be less disappointed when their 'chosen one' gets in office and immediately starts forgetting everything they promised them.
awpitt
Main Streeter
I may not be communicating here. If we have open primaries then people willing to take the time will tend to hold the parties more accountable to a main stream view. The parties have the imprimatur of their primaries being official government functions and, frankly, they pretty much are. I am suggesting we say to them all; if you are using the government, and you are, then you have to have open primaries.
I think with open primaries a Reagan and a Clinton still get there. I think people like Obama and Gore and Dubbya don't. One things for sure, the left and right bases will no longer be genuflected to during the primaries.
And will be less disappointed when their 'chosen one' gets in office and immediately starts forgetting everything they promised them.
I sort of on the fence about closed or open primaries. I've always felt that if one wants to vote in a particular party's primary, they can switch their affiliation and go vote. Having completely open primaries would prevent the extreme left/right of the party from controlling the primary process and would give mainstream moderates more say.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
How we ended up with McCain. The opposing party can ensure they have the person they want running against their chosen one.
Larry Gude
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Larry Gude
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You are not thinking this through. How do 'they' get to choose 'ours' in an open primary system but 'we' don't get to choose 'theirs'?
:shrug:
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Registered Republicans aren't that devious individually, although i do think they ended up with Obama because the Republicans thought he would be easier to.defeat than Hillary.
Hillary was their clear choice/ frontrunner but not who they ended up with either.
So in the end each opposing side got to pick who their opponent was running which.means neither side had their best choice on the ballot. We got.to pick from the crap floating in the septic tank or the crap stuck to the bottom of the tank...
Larry Gude
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You're suggesting the Dems picked Obama because open primaries tipped the balance in his favor because GOP'ers thought he'd be easier to beat? I was pulling for Hillary every step of the way on the grounds that, if the D's won, Obama was, clearly, a socialist dupe who had no business being dog catcher let alone running the pound let alone a county or state let alone potus so, I'd rather it be her if they win.