Pilot's gun discharges on US Airways flight

AA996

New Member
I am getting ready to go through the FFDO training myself and from what I've heard from my fellow pilots is that this was indeed just a matter of time until someone threaded the lock on the wrong side of the trigger. That article with the holster lock pic pretty much says it all. Oh yeah, this made news because it was the first pilot who got it wrong. There have been air marshals and even FLETC instructors that have botched this trigger lock.
 

Pushrod

Patriot
UFB.... Wish I would of had information that the TSA was doing that, my intial assessment would of been different.

Again..... UFB

What da ya expect? If pilots could honestly defend their planes and passengers with sidearms, the whole TSA machine wouldn't be needed. They (the TSA) know what side their bread is buttered on, so they will make it as difficult, if not impossible for pilots to protect their charges.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Ok...

I am getting ready to go through the FFDO training myself and from what I've heard from my fellow pilots is that this was indeed just a matter of time until someone threaded the lock on the wrong side of the trigger. That article with the holster lock pic pretty much says it all. Oh yeah, this made news because it was the first pilot who got it wrong. There have been air marshals and even FLETC instructors that have botched this trigger lock.

...that is absurd. It is the same as putting a lock on fire extinguishers.

Rube Goldberg lives.
 
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Bruzilla

Guest
Au contraire, single-stack 1911s are quite slim and concealable, my Colt Defender is, well, never mind....
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I've found it isn't the thickness... it's the length that causes problems (how creepy is this discussion getting? :killingme)

When you're wearing a sport coat, blazer, or long coat it's easy to conceal a UZI if you hve to, but when you're wearing a waist coat or tshirt it's hard to conceal a gun as long as a 1911. I also have problems when I sit down as guns that long make contact with the seat and push upwards on my belt too much.
 
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Bruzilla

Guest
The trigger lock should make do difference. Bad on the pilot for having a round chambered when there is no need to do so. Being locked in a cockpit is not a situation where you ever need to draw & shoot.
 

AA996

New Member
The trigger lock should make do difference. Bad on the pilot for having a round chambered when there is no need to do so. Being locked in a cockpit is not a situation where you ever need to draw & shoot.

On 9/11/2001 there were eight pilots that would have disagreed with you.
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
The trigger lock should make do difference. Bad on the pilot for having a round chambered when there is no need to do so. Being locked in a cockpit is not a situation where you ever need to draw & shoot.

If I am carrying a gun it is going to be in the condition I want it in when I draw it, the trigger lock IS the problem here IMO.
 
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Bruzilla

Guest
If I am carrying a gun it is going to be in the condition I want it in when I draw it, the trigger lock IS the problem here IMO.

Then you would be behaving foolishly. You are correct in your thinking for situations where you may need immediate use of the firearm. For example, having a firearm ready to go on your person, in your car, or in your home, where you are likely to need it immediately upon removal with no time to chamber a round. I taught firearms safety for 10 years for the NRA, and have taught CCW course down here, and this is an important point that I stress to my students. In a blitz attack situation, it doesn't matter what kind of firearm you have access to, your instinct will always be to use your strong hand to protect your body or to gain space away from your attacker. So any personal weapon you choose should be able to be enabled and fired single handed, and using your weak hand. So these firearms should be kept loaded and ready to fire immediately. The downside of this state is that your firearm is in its most dangerous condition and this is when accidental discharges occur. Also in high-stress situations, you will have a tendancy to forget your training, immediately place your finger on the trigger, and put enough pressure on it to reach a comfort level. For Glock owners, this often results in a loud bang (apologies to Glock fans). This is why my home defense pistol is a Beretta 96 as it has an ambidextrous safety that I can switch off with my left (weak) hand and completely disables the firing pin when on (so I can put as much pressure on the trigger, or have the gun yanked, without worrying about a shot going somewhere I don't want it.

But back to the case in point, a pilot in a cockpit is not in an immediate use situation. The cabin doors have been reinforced and are kept locked. There is no situation that I can think of where a pilot would not have one second to chamber a round. Also, anyone who's ever sat in the cockpit of a modern airliner knows that getting up from a pilot's seat is not a very gracefull series of movements and often requires both hands to steady yourself. If I were training pilots I would tell them to draw their weapon but not chamber a round until they were free of their seat and ready to open the door. Having a round already in the chamber is just an unnecessary risk in a cockpit.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
How will...

But back to the case in point, a pilot in a cockpit is not in an immediate use situation. The cabin doors have been reinforced and are kept locked.

...the next hi jacking occur with that locked and reinforced door? Can a small shaped charge be used in flight? What about betrayal from within the cockpit?
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"


Well I sleep on a third floor, should I keep the chamber empty in my HD handgun, I mean after all I am going to have the second it takes to chamber a round before I need it.

No, I don't think so.

I have every gun in the same condition as the one I carry everyday, that way when it is time to use it I react the same.

What if the first round you chamber dosen't feed right, and causes a major malfunction? Then you got nothing.
 
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