Pitt Bulls

[NAS]

My daughter got herself a pitt bull pup her name is Asia...well my daughter has since moved back in with us..i was kinda leary bout havin her dog in the home but i would not and could not refuse her to bring her dog havin a dog myself i know howit is to love your pet.Well i tell Asia is a very good natured dog she really is ,my daughter has spoiled her rotten!!!!she is 9 months old. But i have a few friends who seem to think no matter how good and loveable Asia is that because she is a **PITT BULL** she will turn out mean.. now i dont know anyone who has a pitt other than my daughter and i believe if a dog is loved as a family member and treated well it wont turn on its owner,,,, my friend said its in pitt bulls blood to b mean???? what do ya'll think?

 

[vraiblonde]

Sharon told you to bait me into a discussion of pitbulls, didn't she? That way I can tell you how much I hate them and then all the dog people can jump me!

 

[Ken King]

I've seen good Pitts and I have seen bad Pitts. The dogs acted very similar to their owners. I personally believe that it is all in how the animal is raised and socialized that determines which category they fall into.

 

[NAS]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Sharon told you to bait me into a discussion of pitbulls, didn't she? That way I can tell you how much I hate them and then all the dog people can jump me!

nah i wouldnt jump on ya ,,u have a right to have ur own feelings and views !!

 

[NAS]

Originally posted by Ken King
I've seen good Pitts and I have seen bad Pitts. The dogs acted very similar to their owners. I personally believe that it is all in how the animal is raised and socialized that determines which category they fall into.

I believe this as well, as for Asia even her *parents* are aswesome dogs her
mother is a very friendly and is great with the family she has, which they have 5 children,and she is just like one of the kids!!! Her father also is a family dog, as some people told me if the pups parents r mean then asia will b mean ..so iguess u can say asia came from a non voilent family LOL

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by NAS
nah i wouldnt jump on ya ,,u have a right to have ur own feelings and views !!

That attitude will not get you far here.

 

[doglovers]

I might catch some heat on this one.

My personal opinion, should you take the time to consider it, is that dogs, like people, are a product of their environment.

Pit Bulls get a very bad rap. Yes, statistically, there are more "documented" cases of attacks associated with Pit Bulls. They're the hot item in the news. Yes, they have a high instance of being maliciously trained for fighting, to the detriment of the breed's reputation. You know why? Because of their size, strength, and because they are extremely easy to train.

It used to be Rottweilers in the news.

As a matter of fact, Allstate Insurance will not provide you with Homeowner's insurance if you have either breed. I found this out when I bought my first house. The lady asked me if I had a dog. I said yes and said it was a Boxer. I asked why and that's when she told me about their policy. When I started to froth at the mouth and protest the whole concept, she stopped me short and said "I know, I know. I have a Rottweiler."

My ex has a Pit Bull and she is great with the kids.

Sorry if I frosted anybody on this, I'm fairly passionate about misconceived breed generalization, especially when it's based on information from the media.

 

[Ken King]

Originally posted by cariblue
And I've seen good pits go bad.

I have seen many different dogs (and other animals) "go bad". I have seen many good dogs bite children due to how the child interacted with the animal (or maybe I should have said abusing the animal). The key is that they are animals, thus unpredictable and one must exercise caution when around them (whether or not they are your pets or not). I have also had and know dogs (of the high risk category, at least according to the anti-dog nuts) that have never hurt anything or anyone. The main factor, from observations in all my experiences, is how the animal was trained, treated, and socialized relates directly to how the animal behaves.

 

[Ponytail]

Your Pitt will always be good to you. But you will not know what will set it off. At any time, it WILL go after the neighbors dog, the neighbors kid, or the neighbor. Keep a CLOSE eye on that dog at all times, and on a very short leash.

Ken, I have lived in houses with Pit Bulls. they were always good to me. But it's the ones that are around the house, and that the dog is unfamiliar with that need to worry.

It's not a matter of if, it's when. A closed window will not keep a Pit Bull back. I've seen it. And the dog was NOT antagonized. The dude had no idea what hit him.

Talking nice and softly to a Pitt to get it to calm down as he's got his jaw clamped down on someone elses throat is not something I can wish on even a moderate enemy.

Don't get me wrong, I love Pitts. But you have to be EXTRA carefull with them. You can never trust them fully.

 

[Pookie]

Where's Pix when you need her?

 

[Ken King]

Originally posted by Ponytail
Your Pitt will always be good to you. But you will not know what will set it off. At any time, it WILL go after the neighbors dog, the neighbors kid, or the neighbor. Keep a CLOSE eye on that dog at all times, and on a very short leash.

Exact advice I would give to anyone that owns a dog.

Ken, I have lived in houses with Pit Bulls. they were always good to me. But it's the ones that are around the house, and that the dog is unfamiliar with that need to worry.

I say you need to be vigilant around any dog that you’re not intimate with, regardless of breed.

It's not a matter of if, it's when. A closed window will not keep a Pit Bull back. I've seen it. And the dog was NOT antagonized. The dude had no idea what hit him.

So are you saying that ALL of these dogs WILL attack? If that were true, then who in their right mind would own one? In the case you describe did you know the dog?

Talking nice and softly to a Pitt to get it to calm down as he's got his jaw clamped down on someone elses throat is not something I can wish on even a moderate enemy.

Don't get me wrong, I love Pitts. But you have to be EXTRA carefull with them. You can never trust them fully.

No doubt that once a Pitt, Rott, GSD, or any other large breed gets a hold of someone it isn’t pretty. Talking nice would not be an action I would take and I doubt the animal would survive (unless I couldn’t get my hands on a tool or weapon of some sort). The only dogs I trust are those that I have raised and trained from a pup and I keep them restrained when around other people and animals. All others I keep an extra vigilant eye on because it is unknown to me how they have been trained and handled.

I love almost all types of dogs (I like the bigger ones better than the little ones) and understand the care and responsibility of the owner. Unfortunately, we have @ssclowns that have no business owning any dog and because of them many dogs are “groomed” to be attackers. My current dog is a Chow Chow (number 8 on the list of killers) coming in at about 75 pounds, extremely strong and powerful, but a pleasant and gentle creature. I firmly believe that his training and socialization have made the difference as he is the sweetest dog you could ever meet, but one of his siblings has been an attacker, but that dog wasn’t properly socialized by the owners and the owner’s son regularly tormented the dog.

 

[Christy]

I think my dog (a big fat beagle) is more mentally unstable than any Pitt I've ever been around. Honestly! I don't trust him around small children EVER. He was fine and mellow for a couple of years, but now he's goes majorly nuts around children.

 

[pixiegirl]

Originally posted by Christy
I think my dog (a big fat beagle) is more mentally unstable than any Pitt I've ever been around. Honestly! I don't trust him around small children EVER. He was fine and mellow for a couple of years, but now he's goes majorly nuts around children.

As far as Cari and Vrai are concerned I've learned that when it comes to them and Pits "Fear breeds hate." Bottom line.

NAS, I've personally owned two Pits. They're the most loyal loving dogs there are. They do have a very strong prey drive so are sometimes bad around small animals. They are inherintaly dog agressive so you can't trust them to be unleased in public. They are VERY protective of their family and home thus you will need to keep a close eye on one.

I use to work for a vet and saw a ton more agressive muts, poodles, etc then I ever did Pits.

Love that baby and protect her.

 

[pixiegirl]

Originally posted by cariblue
Wrong. I don't hate them. I only fear them. If you're going to shoot accusations, at least get it right. Every thing I've ever written or said about the breed has been from experience, not assumption, or I've posted an article referencing someone else's experiences. It's great that your experiences have been positive, but that doesn't cancel out the negative experiences that others have had.

And last time we went through this I posted plenty of information that can easily shoot down your articles concerning everyone else's negative experiences. A good number of "Pit Bull" attacks aren't even "Pit Bull" attacks. Do I need to break out the "Find the real Pit Bull" game again?

So you base your opinions (or should I say assumptions?) on someone else's supposed experiences that you've personally never been there to witness. That's smart.

 

[pixiegirl]

Hey Cari, we all know there's a ton of things you don't like why does it pluck such a nerve to be called out on one? :shrug:

 

[vraiblonde]

Well, yeah, Pix - fear breeds hate. I hate pitbulls because I fear them. I've seen them in action, up close and personal. But I really don't like dogs in general. I'm a cat person.

 

[pixiegirl]

Originally posted by cariblue
I have one in my neighborhood now. I find this deeply disturbing. I'm afraid of them and I don't trust them. I don't care what pit bull owners say. I've seen them in action and I've read too many stories. I don't care how docile it is now, I wouldn't be able to trust it.

When you do an internet search on most breeds of dogs, you get web sites that educate about the animal in general. When you read pit bull sites, it's all about convincing the reader that the breed is safe. Why isn't the reader being convinced that all of the other breeds are safe? Hmmm. You'll also find in your search, many articles about pit bull attacks. On people and other animals. Of course, you'll find articles on other animals, too. But they're a little more difficult to find. Hmmm.

I recently heard that it is now illegal to own a pit bull in PG county, along with many other areas across the nation. You have to ask yourself why.

What plucks my nerve is people like you who for very little reason of your own hate something. You buy into media hype and base you opinions on it.

All I said about you was that I've learned when it comes to you and Vrai that fear breeds hate when it comes to Pits. Vrai didn't have a problem with that. I wasn't attacking you but apparently you took it that way. Guilty concience?

Yes it is important to me. I'm the one with the "personal" experience here and know about the dogs first hand. They are one of the few things in life I am passionate about. Just like you get bent when someone questions your parenting I get bent when people attack a breed of dog that I hold very dear to me. I understand you're not a "dog" person so you wouldn't understand that.

Since you have never personally owned a Pit Bull I don't see where the hellyou get off telling NAS that you'd never trust one. he was talking of his pleasant suprise at the good nature of his dog and you jump in and shoot him down. But then again I guess nobody ever said you were nice.

 

[pixiegirl]

You most certainly do buy into media hype. Let's not lie. Go back and read your own posts.

Why is it you can have an "opinion" but I have an "assumption?" See I didn't have a problem with your "opinion" and from that I based my own "opinion" which you called an "assumption" that you are affraid of Pits and therefore hate them. So let's just get this straight it's ok for you to form "opinions" on whatever you want (pit bulls) but if someone (in this case me) forms an "opinion" about you then you get upset?

 

[pixiegirl]

Originally posted by cariblue
Like I said, it's not that important to me. Find someone else to pick an argument with.

How you turn this around on me kills me. Cari, you're very special... I hardly picked a fight. Just like you I stated my opinion and you got the tude telling me not to make assumptions. It's ok I don't expect you to admit anything that may make you look bad. I didn't pick a fight with you I finished one. Just because I'm too damn nice for my own good most of the time doesn't mean I'll just lay there and let you prey on me like you do to anyone on here that shows vulnerability. I didn't do jack to you, you started with me. You were wrong, DEAL WITH IT!

 

[Christy]

Okay ladies! Break it up, Break it up! Take it over to the feral cat thread!