Plane Crash on Airport View?

Danzig

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Lugnut said:
Damn Danzig you are on the ####ing BALL dude! :lmao:

I'm surprised JBR idn't mention anything about this earlier!

I just got to bed at 5am and the tones for the crash got me out of bed at 8am. I think I woke up by the time I got to 235, Like others I went to the airport first, then Airport View. I have not spoke to JBR yet. I wonder where he is??
 
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nachomama

All Up In Your Grill
I'm surprised there wasn't an ensuing major brush fire. From the looks of what was left of that plane, the size & height of that field and how dry it's been, it's a miracle the whole thing didn't go up in flames.
 

Agee

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nachomama said:
I'm surprised there wasn't an ensuing major brush fire. From the looks of what was left of that plane, the size & height of that field and how dry it's been, it's a miracle the whole thing didn't go up in flames.

:yeahthat:

The field (grass runway) is off 234, just past the 234.242 intersection. Plane was a Piper "Tri-Pacer".
 

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Jeff

Stop Staring!!!!!
I didn't see this thread. I didn't now what happened. I heard on the scanner about 30 minutes or so ago that the Civil Air patrol had just arrived to take custody of the aircraft.
 

Danzig

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baileydog said:
someone told me it was by Lawrence Hayden Rd. Thats back there past 3 Notch Vet.

Yes, Lawrence Hayden Rd and Huckleberry, off of Airport view.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
"a failed takeoff" = more press ignorance. A plane either takes off or it does not. You can develop problems after take off, but returning to earth implies that the takeoff was accomplished.

In one account, the pilot says he stuck some trees on takeoff. I bet the pilot did no weight and balance calculations. Piper Tri-pacer is not a plane for carrying a heavy load. Three adults or near adults, hot day, very humid (hot humid equates to less air density and less lift), any bets on full fuel? Either the plane was too heavy for conditions and suffered a departure stall or there may have been a problem with the engine after getting airborne. It is really a good idea to depart with at least one headphone muff off the ears so you can hear the engine and listen for problems; better to abort a takeoff roll and overshoot the end of the runway than get in the air and come back down accidentally.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
2ndAmendment said:
"a failed takeoff" = more press ignorance. A plane either takes off or it does not. You can develop problems after take off, but returning to earth implies that the takeoff was accomplished.

In one account, the pilot says he stuck some trees on takeoff. I bet the pilot did no weight and balance calculations. Piper Tri-pacer is not a plane for carrying a heavy load. Three adults or near adults, hot day, very humid (hot humid equates to less air density and less lift), any bets on full fuel? Either the plane was too heavy for conditions and suffered a departure stall or there may have been a problem with the engine after getting airborne. It is really a good idea to depart with at least one headphone muff off the ears so you can hear the engine and listen for problems; better to abort a takeoff roll and overshoot the end of the runway than get in the air and come back down accidentally.
Agree completely. Most people think that hot humid is more dense, but it is counterintuitive.

I'm betting he was doing a takeoff just like he had a hundred times before and didn't account for three adults, baggage, and fuel, as well as how the heat and humidity affected the performance of the plane.

Has anyone heard if the woman really did die? I had heard a rumor...
 

Danzig

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MMDad said:
Has anyone heard if the woman really did die? I had heard a rumor...

Yes sorry to say she did die, and the son did say to me something "being hot" at take off. I did not ask him much more than if he was ok and where he was from, and if they were landing or taking off. And that's when he said "...taking off....Too Hot..."
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
NTSB:

On August 9, 2007, at 0707 eastern daylight time, a Piper PA-22-160, N2731P, registered to and operated by a private owner as a 14 CFR Part 91 personal flight made a forced landing to an open field on initial take off climb. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and no flight plan was filed. A post crash fire destroyed the airplane. The private pilot and one passenger reported minor injuries. The remaining passenger was transported to a local area hospital with serious injuries and died that evening. The flight originated from ST. Mary's County Regional Airport, Leonardtown, Maryland, on August 9, 2007, at 0706.

The pilot stated the airplane was topped off with 17 gallons of 100 low lead fuel before departing. No formal performance planning was conducted except for mentally going over the weight and balance in his head. The maximum gross weight of the airplane was 2,000 pounds and he estimated his take off weight at 1,804 pounds. The pilot did not compute the density altitude or pressure altitude at his departure airport. The pilot stated he started his take off roll from runway 29 and the ground roll was slower than normal down the 4,000-foot long runway. The pilot pushed the control wheel down in an effort to increase airspeed. The airplane was about 3,000 feet down the runway when he rotated the airplane at 80 mph. The airplane came off the runway, the airplane had a reduced rate of climb, and was basically flat. The airplane was at full power and the pilot was concerned about clearing the trees off the departure end of the runway and lowered one notch of flaps. Just before reaching the tree line, the pilot lowered the flaps to the full down position and the airplane skimmed the top of the tree. The airplane would not maintain altitude and was descending. The airplane touched down in an open field in a nose down right wing low attitude. The nose wheel was either bent aft or separated. The airplane began sliding to the right and turned about 90-degrees before it came to a complete stop and caught fire. When the pilot was asked if the airplane had any mechanical problems on takeoff, the pilot replied no. "It was my fault, I made a bad choice, the airplane was heavy, it was hot, and very humid." When asked why he did not abort the take off the pilot stated, "I never thought about it and I do not know why. I just kept the nose on the runway. I knew we were heavy and it was hot."

A witness who is also a commercial pilot and a flight instructor observed the accident airplane taxi from the gas pump towards runway 29 for take off. As the airplane taxied by his location, the witness observed the tail of the airplane was low "as if the airplane was overloaded." The airplane started its take off roll and the winds were light and variable with a high-density altitude. The witness stated the runway at the airport is 4,150 feet long. The accident airplane takeoff roll was slow and long and there was no change in engine noise on the takeoff roll or climb out. The airplane used about 3,000 feet of the runway before the pilot "forced the airplane off the runway." Once the airplane became airborne the climb out was "flat" and the witness was not sure if the airplane would clear the trees off the departure end of the runway. The airplane cleared the trees by about 100 feet and disappeared from view behind another tree line. The witness stated he observed a plum of black smoke and knew the airplane had crashed.
 
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