Police Officer arrests Nurse.

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itsbob said:
SO they never put the cuffs on her, and actually arrested her??

Not what I got from the video.
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That's not what I said Bob, she was arrested, handcuffed and placed in the back of a cruiser.
The officer had been told not only by the police Dept where the accident happened that it was OK that he couldn't get a blood sample along with the investigators with his own Dept it was not legal for him to do so.
But yet he insisted to continue with what he wanted to do, and he arrested her.
She was released from the back of the cruiser 20 min later.. because they wrongfully arrested her. Why is that so hard to understand..
She was wrongfully arrested in a crowd of people..
He did this against the orders of his Superior's in a crowd, what do you think he has done on the job when no one is watching?
 
kwillia

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BTW... a wrongful arrest is still an arrest and will affect any security clearance. You have to put it on your form because the question is "Have you ever been arrested?" It can and will most likely add weeks and more likely months to your security investigation even if it is clearly documented that it was a wrongful arrest.

I have a co-worker who didn't realize you didn't have to report arrests prior to the age of 18 so he noted an arrest that happened when he was 16. He gave full detail written explanation and provided the records and even an explicit letter of apology from the police department but it added just over 6 weeks to the investigation because they have to fully investigate even if the arrest was wrongful or did not result in criminal charges.
 
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kwillia said:
BTW... a wrongful arrest is still an arrest and will affect any security clearance. You have to put it on your form because the question is "Have you ever been arrested?" It can and will most likely add weeks and more likely months to your security investigation even if it is clearly documented that it was a wrongful arrest.

I have a co-worker who didn't realize you didn't have to report arrests prior to the age of 18 so he noted an arrest that happened when he was 16. He gave full detail written explanation and provided the records and even an explicit letter of apology from the police department but it added just over 6 weeks to the investigation because they have to fully investigate even if the arrest was wrongful or did not result in criminal charges.
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Big difference between being arrested and being handcuffed. One is not truly arrested until such time as you are entered into the system during booking.
 
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LightRoasted said:
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Big difference between being arrested and being handcuffed. One is not truly arrested until such time as you are entered into the system during booking.
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Forcibly detained illegally, isn't that the definition of kidnapping?

The cop detained her because she pissed him off and he wanted to swing his dick around.
 
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black dog

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LightRoasted said:
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Big difference between being arrested and being handcuffed. One is not truly arrested until such time as you are entered into the system during booking.
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Absolutely incorrect, as soon as the officer says those magical words " you are under arrest" you are under arrest. You are no longer being detained.
 
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LightRoasted said:
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Big difference between being arrested and being handcuffed. One is not truly arrested until such time as you are entered into the system during booking.
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Nope..... and I did bounce about 5-7 different sources who all agree.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/arrest.html?version=2


The criminal justice process typically begins when a police officer places a person under arrest. (Also see Chronology: The Arrest Process.) An "arrest" occurs when a person has been taken into police custody and is no longer free to leave or move about. The use of physical restraint or handcuffs is not necessary. An arrest can be complete when a police officer simply tells a crime suspect that he or she is "under arrest", and the suspect submits without the officer's use of any physical force. The key to an arrest is the exercise of police authority over a person, and that person's voluntary or involuntary submission.
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itsbob said:
Not what I'm saying.. and I'm sorry my meaning was lost. Next time I'll write it in English so you'll better understand.


For example.. You get stopped for DUI.. You KNOW you haven't been drinking, there is ZERO alcohol in your system..

And the cop says, I'm arresting you for DUI.

Is that an unlawful arrest because YOU know you haven't been drinking.. and being in your mind an unlawful arrest, that gives you the right to resist??

Since you KNOW you didn't have anything to drink, he asks you to turn around, you can run away into the night.. pull away from.. scream at the top of your lungs??

The Nurse isn't a Judge or a Lawyer so how does she know at that time, that she is being arrested unlawfully?? That she has the right to resist, and fight back?? Like the cops themselves say(at the time of the incident), if they are wrong it can be resolved civilly after the fact
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Still didn't bother to read the entirety of the law, did you?

Shame.
 
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black dog said:
Absolutely incorrect, as soon as the officer says those magical words " you are under arrest" you are under arrest. You are no longer being detained.
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Ok, ok .... allow me to clarify. Without being processed and booked after that arrest, there is no record of that arrest. Such as for the nurse. She was arrested but then released without ever leaving the hospital. Therefore there is no record of her arrest, other than being on the news. So, should she ever have to answer the question if she'd ever been arrested, she could answer no since there is no record of her ever being arrested in the system. So it's really a quasi arrest.
 
black dog

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Ok, ok .... allow me to clarify. Without being processed and booked after that arrest, there is no record of that arrest. Such as for the nurse. She was arrested but then released without ever leaving the hospital. Therefore there is no record of her arrest, other than being on the news. So, should she ever have to answer the question if she'd ever been arrested, she could answer no since there is no record of her ever being arrested in the system. So it's really a quasi arrest.
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Correct, until your booked it's not entered into the data system.
 
itsbob

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kwillia said:
BTW... a wrongful arrest is still an arrest and will affect any security clearance. You have to put it on your form because the question is "Have you ever been arrested?" It can and will most likely add weeks and more likely months to your security investigation even if it is clearly documented that it was a wrongful arrest.

I have a co-worker who didn't realize you didn't have to report arrests prior to the age of 18 so he noted an arrest that happened when he was 16. He gave full detail written explanation and provided the records and even an explicit letter of apology from the police department but it added just over 6 weeks to the investigation because they have to fully investigate even if the arrest was wrongful or did not result in criminal charges.
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I think your co-worker was right revealing the arrest up front.

IF there was a record of the arrest, they would have found it.
 
kwillia

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The report also faults supervisor Lt. James Tracy, who told Payne to arrest the nurse if she didn't allow the blood draw, for not seeking legal advice on drawing blood from the car-crash victim without a warrant or formal consent. Police have since said Wubbels was right, and changed their policy.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/14/report-officer-lost-control-before-arresting-utah-nurse.html

The civilian review board report said that a third unnamed officer missed a chance to step in and calm things down despite a 2016 advisement for officers to intervene when their colleagues become frustrated with the words "code 909."
 
black dog

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kwillia said:
The report also faults supervisor Lt. James Tracy, who told Payne to arrest the nurse if she didn't allow the blood draw, for not seeking legal advice on drawing blood from the car-crash victim without a warrant or formal consent. Police have since said Wubbels was right, and changed their policy.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/14/report-officer-lost-control-before-arresting-utah-nurse.html

The civilian review board report said that a third unnamed officer missed a chance to step in and calm things down despite a 2016 advisement for officers to intervene when their colleagues become frustrated with the words "code 909."
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The third office should be home sitting with the other two, working together on the revised story of what really happened and not what the video shows and witnesses stated.
 
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black dog said:
The third office should be home sitting with the other two, working together on the revised story of what really happened and not what the video shows and witnesses stated.
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And that's why rights groups have an issue with police unions pushing for a 2-3 day "grace period" before an officer can be questioned about anything.
 
black dog

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Is that the same grace period that we the people are privy to as well?
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Remember that Miranda part where it can and will be used against you?
You have a better grace period, you don't have to answer any questions.
Most folks arn't smart enough to just shut the #### up. They just keep talking themselves right into going to jail..
 
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littlelady

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black dog said:
Remember that Miranda part where it can and will be used against you?
You have a better grace period, you don't have to answer any questions.
Most folks arn't smart enough to just shut the #### up. They just keep talking themselves right into going to jail..
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Miranda rights. :killingme:
 
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