PRAYer To St.Mark

[ItalianScallion]

I understand that. I like and appreciate that. But I also appreciate appropriateness.
This particular thread was started by someone who wanted to offer up a prayer, or whatever. In the other thread that you pissed all over, someone offering a prayer of thanks to saints who prayed along-side them.
Both times, you inappropriately barged in and told them that they're praying wrong and why.

You just don't get it do you?
If people keep getting cancer from something they do and I know what it is and I DON'T speak out to at least warn them of the cause, I'M the bad guy. But here, when I do warn them, I'm still the bad guy. You and others don't realize that this is a SERIOUS sin and flaw in religious teachings and it needs to be pointed out no matter who doesn't like it.
Apparently you can't see this and therefore, your low opinion of me. Sorry that I don't "make your day" but this is a life or death issue whether you see it that way or not.

Let's take another route: Say someone is on here describing how they fry a frozen turkey in oil but it isn't the correct way; in fact it's a very dangerous, wrong and possibly fatal way. Then someone who knows the proper procedure comes in here and tells him the correct way. Would you judges jump on him because of it when, in actually, the guy is ONLY trying to fix his family a turkey dinner? I mean, so what if he's possibly going to die from it? Why should you all care? Think about it...

Just to be sure: You realize that's a figure of speech which describes your EXACT behavior in this thread and the other one right... I'm not accusing you of actually urinating into cereal.

Of course I know that.

I call it like I see it. I jump on lots of people in lots of forums for lots of reasons. I get jumped on myself occasionally. Nobody's singled you out. However when someone expresses their heart-felt gratitude toward religious figures they believe helped them, and you chime in with "Your doing it wrong!" you're going to attract negative attention to yourself.
Are you seriously going to tell me that's not common freakin' sense that every 8 year old should know?

Jesus attracted tons of negative attention yet it didn't stop him.
Dixie's child was NOT healed by Jude or Mary, I can assure you of that. For me to say nothing would have been a greater sin. I might not change her mind but the accountability is now on her from here on.

And you still don't understand the seriousness of this matter. Being happy that Dixie (in another thread) committed a serious sin in God's eyes is not something I can ignore. I'll either have you all chastising me or God; I'll take you all.
The same with this "novena's" person in this thread. He/she also needs to be told or the evil of praying to anyone but God. I knew full well the negative attention that would be coming from the group here.

 

[PsyOps]

I will never again defend the Religion forum as a tolerant place where all religions can come for free discussion and expression.



This thread makes me kind of sick.

Are you trying to tell me any of the forums here on SOMD are tolerant places where one can go to for free discussion and expression?

 

[Toxick]

You just don't get it do you?

Actually I do.

Your condescending tone, however, really makes me want to see things your way, though.

If people keep getting cancer from something they do and I know what it is and I DON'T speak out to at least warn them of the cause, I'M the bad guy.

So you lecture everyone you see smoking and eating fast food?

How's that working out for you?

Apparently you can't see this and therefore,

Dude, this is like the third time in a single post where you've told me that I don't see or I don't understand..

Don't tell me what I don't know and don't see. I see more than you think. Just because I disagree with your approach doesn't mean I don't understand, see or get it.

I get it.

I don't agree with it.

I happen to believe in choosing your battles wisely and choosing your moments carefully. This was a quite ill-chosen battle and and ill-chosen moment. Do you think you'll actually turn anyone to God (or pull them toward your vision of God) this way? Or do you think you'll alienate them.

Dixie's child was NOT healed by Jude or Mary, I can assure you of that.

Whether he was or wasn't is not the point.

I knew full well the negative attention that would be coming from the group here.

And yet you're acting surprised and hurt when you got what you know full well you'd get.




:shrug:

 

[Toxick]

Are you trying to tell me any of the forums here on SOMD are tolerant places where one can go to for free discussion and expression?

The Politics forums is usually pretty open to new ideas.

 

[ItalianScallion]

So you lecture everyone you see smoking and eating fast food?
How's that working out for you?

Apples and oranges my friend...It's the spiritual part I'm concerned with, not the physical.

I happen to believe in choosing your battles wisely and choosing your moments carefully. This was a quite ill-chosen battle and and ill-chosen moment. Do you think you'll actually turn anyone to God (or pull them toward your vision of God) this way? Or do you think you'll alienate them.

I think it was a necessary chosen battle. Not everyone likes it but it got a lot of folks thinking about the issue. And I would have been ignoring God's command to speak out against this practice no matter what the outcome.

I see things a lot more fully than some others do. I ask you:
Did Jesus ONLY speak to those whom he would turn towards God?
Did he not piss of a lot of people by doing just what I did: Going against their long time tradition? He corrected a lot of people who hated what he told them. It's called accountability. I won't ask you if you get it anymore...

 

[kom526]

I see things a lot more fully than some others do. I ask you:
Did Jesus ONLY speak to those whom he would turn towards God?
Did he not piss of a lot of people by doing just what I did: Going against their long time tradition? He corrected a lot of people who hated what he told them. It's called accountability. I won't ask you if you get it anymore...

Anybody else smell sulphur?

 

[Vince]

Uh, dead people can't hear your prayers... :shrug:

And you know this for a fact because you've died and came back?

 

[Marie]

Do you think you'll actually turn anyone to God (or pull them toward your vision of God) this way? Or do you think you'll alienate them.




It depends if they want to know the truth, and have a teachable spirit and will listen to someone that speaks on the authority of God. I personally want to hear the word of God boldly proclaimed, and not some moralistic deism or social gospel from a wall flower without a spine.

Theres nothing more loving than to proclaim the Gospel! It should sting and it should be an offense to those that are perishing. If its not, your coddling them to straight to hell! What kind of man does that? Perhaps a scared child in the faith.

 

[Toxick]

Apples and oranges my friend...It's the spiritual part I'm concerned with, not the physical.

YOU said: If people keep getting cancer from something they do

But, whatever. I'm not interested in getting into semantics with you. In fact this entire conversation has grown extremely tiresome. I've said my piece, and you've ensured me that you're still going to behave in the same sanctimonious fashion. I don't see that further discussion is going to benefit anyone.

I think it was a necessary chosen battle.

And I disagree. I think you turn more people off to God than you turn on. I think you like to engage in useless haranguing and browbeating.

But, hey - It's your right to act that way, so knock yourself out.

But you shouldn't act all surprised when people react like they do. It's a natural reaction. If I told you that you're praying wrong and to the wrong beings, you'd get indignant as well.

I think that for many people their religion is something personal, intimate and extremely close to their heart. When you insult their religion, you should expect the same reaction as you'd get if you insult their wife. (And don't even try to tell me that what you did was not insulting - because it most certainly was). There are not many people who would accept that, much less agree with it and see things your way.

I'm all for spreading the Word of God - but I believe that doing so in ways that ATTRACT believers rather than ways that repel them.

I won't ask you if you get it anymore...

Good.

 

[Toxick]

It depends if they want to know the truth, and have a teachable spirit and will listen to someone that speaks on the authority of God. I personally want to hear the word of God boldly proclaimed, and not some moralistic deism or social gospel from a wall flower without a spine.

Theres nothing more loving than to proclaim the Gospel! It should sting and it should be an offense to those that are perishing. If its not, your coddling them to straight to hell! What kind of man does that? Perhaps a scared child in the faith.

You are a snide little person, aren't you.

I have no interest in anything you have to say.


Good day maam.

 

[Zguy28]

ItalianScallion, I have debated whether I would post this or not, and I hate to say it, because I know you have good intentions.

I see things a lot more fully than some others do.

And here is where a lot of folks get rubbed the wrong way by your posts. Including me. Its not that folks have a problem with what you say necessarily, but how you say it. You very often come off as arrogant, sanctimonious, and sometimes just plain rude.

These scriptures are where I am coming from:

Let your gentle spirit be known to all men. The Lord is near.

So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.

But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness.

but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence

If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

ItalianScallion, by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, I appeal to you. Speak the truth, but do so with gentleness and respect, so that you bring glory to our Father in heaven and our Lord Jesus Christ, and not reproach. But most of all, speak the truth in love.

 

[Zguy28]

Do you think you'll actually turn anyone to God (or pull them toward your vision of God) this way? Or do you think you'll alienate them.




It depends if they want to know the truth, and have a teachable spirit and will listen to someone that speaks on the authority of God. I personally want to hear the word of God boldly proclaimed, and not some moralistic deism or social gospel from a wall flower without a spine.

Theres nothing more loving than to proclaim the Gospel! It should sting and it should be an offense to those that are perishing. If its not, your coddling them to straight to hell! What kind of man does that? Perhaps a scared child in the faith.

And yet we should not forget grace and where we ourselves have come from. The gospel is a sharp sword, not a bludgeoning club.

 

[Bean]

I agree with Italian Scallions point of view, however in my Christian maturity I have learned that it really doesn't matter how people come to God...as long as they come. ;-)

 

[ItalianScallion]

I think you turn more people off to God than you turn on. I think you like to engage in useless haranguing and browbeating.
But you shouldn't act all surprised when people react like they do. It's a natural reaction. If I told you that you're praying wrong and to the wrong beings, you'd get indignant as well.
I think that for many people their religion is something personal, intimate and extremely close to their heart. When you insult their religion, you should expect the same reaction as you'd get if you insult their wife. (And don't even try to tell me that what you did was not insulting - because it most certainly was). There are not many people who would accept that, much less agree with it and see things your way.

I know that I do turn folks off at times but I actually started off very softly by simply saying she shouldn't pray to the dead. You people saw this as wrong, moreso than seeing what she was doing as wrong. The greater evil would have been to ignore it.

No one likes to be told they're wrong but these are not MY words or standards. Less and less people are wanting to agree to God's terms and this is why it's getting ugly in here.
Yes religion is personal, as you said, but it still has to be on God's terms, not ours.

ItalianScallion, I have debated whether I would post this or not, and I hate to say it, because I know you have good intentions. And here is where a lot of folks get rubbed the wrong way by your posts. Including me. Its not that folks have a problem with what you say necessarily, but how you say it. You very often come off as arrogant, sanctimonious, and sometimes just plain rude.
ItalianScallion, by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, I appeal to you. Speak the truth, but do so with gentleness and respect, so that you bring glory to our Father in heaven and our Lord Jesus Christ, and not reproach. But most of all, speak the truth in love.

Zguy, I'm not upset that you posted this and I fully understand and thank you for your concern and point of view but, again, I never attacked her personally or was rude. Each time I showed her that I had the interest of her child at heart. I didn't bash the RCC for their teachings, I just spoke the truth to her. It was the many others that came in and essentially said that God's truth was less important than her feelings.

It's the very nature of God's message that causes people to hate us; It's not always the delivery. Look at Jesus' methods and look at John the Baptist's. People repented under both methods and people rejected it under both methods. Jesus got downright hateful to the Jews of his day calling then "children of the devil, illegitimate, murderers and liars". He simply told them of their errors and he was killed for it. Why should we expect anything less?

I agree with Italian Scallions point of view, however in my Christian maturity I have learned that it really doesn't matter how people come to God...as long as they come. ;-)

I've often said that sometimes we have to "love the hell out of them" and sometines we have to "scare the hell out of them". Sadly some people just want to see the feel good side of it and ignore the other. What many do not realize is that those who reject the truth no matter how it is delivered, probably will reject it for good... Thanks Bean.

 

[vraiblonde]

I think it's amusing that this has sparked such debate. OP posted her/his novena, and is long gone now.

 

[Marie]

You are a snide little person, aren't you.

I have no interest in anything you have to say.


Good day maam.

Wowza, man I am I feeling the love!

I wasn't talking about you personally, I was talking about those that want a message of Universalism. That all roads lead to God and all ways are valid, there not.

I hope you have a good day as well!

OBTW; Theres nothing little about me, I am 5"11 & 180 pounds. I am far from petite

 

[PsyOps]

The Politics forums is usually pretty open to new ideas.

Yeah, sure it is.

They all get ugly, even the Chit Chat section, from time to time.

 

[ItalianScallion]

Wowza, man I am I feeling the love!
I wasn't talking about you personally, I was talking about those that want a message of Universalism. That all roads lead to God and all ways are valid, there not.
I hope you have a good day as well!

Toxick has definitely got it out for us today...:shrug:

 

[Toxick]

I wasn't talking about you personally, I was talking about those that want a message of Universalism. That all roads lead to God and all ways are valid, there not.

Both of these lines:

not some moralistic deism or social gospel from a wall flower without a spine.
Perhaps a scared child in the faith.

...seemed to be directed at me in your response. If this is not the case, I apologize.

 

[Toxick]

Toxick has definitely got it out for us today...:shrug:

No, I really don't.

I simply respond to things that grab my attention, positive or negative. Your responses earlier grabbed my attention. Unfortunately negatively.



I don't have it out for anyone. Never have.