President Bush Refuses to Give Civilian Workers Full Raise

[demsformd]

President Bush has decided to not give civilian federal employees the 4.1% raise that Congress provided them in this year's FY budget due to the war on terrorism. Instead the civilians will get a 3.1% raise while military personnel get a 4.1% raise. Bush said that providing the full raise would harm the military's effort to stop terrorism.

Yeah right, Bush just cannot afford the whole raise because a year ago he felt that it was wise to give millionaires $60,000 tax cuts. How does refusing to provide the whole raise affect the war on terror? President Bush needs to stop using the whole rally around the flag sentiment for his conservative message. Use it to unite us against terrorism but not for refusing to raise civilian pay. Congressional leaders, including prominent Republicans, are critical of the president's reasoning and feel that the pay raise could be easily paid for.
Come on Mr. President, the civilians help just as much in the war on terror as our men and women in the military.

 

[red]

interestingly enough, the president and congress got their raises. i have to ask "what did they do to merit a raise this year?"

 

[Penn]

Originally posted by demsformd
President Bush has decided to not give civilian federal employees the 4.1% raise that Congress provided them in this year's FY budget due to the war on terrorism. Instead the civilians will get a 3.1% raise while military personnel get a 4.1% raise. Bush said that providing the full raise would harm the military's effort to stop terrorism.

Come on Mr. President, the civilians help just as much in the war on terror as our men and women in the military.

demsformd, this has got to be the the most idiotic, nitpicking post I've seen you offer. Are you actually squawking over a loss of 1% from the pay raise? No, more to the point, I think you just like to hear yourself rant and rave against the current administration.
I seriously doubt whether you'd be espousing this tripe if Mssrs. Clinton or Gore were in the Oval Office. Heck, you would probably applaud it as wonderful idea. Get a life, pal.

penncam

 

[vraiblonde]

A few thoughts

Originally posted by red
interestingly enough, the president and congress got their raises. i have to ask "what did they do to merit a raise this year?"

Before Dems starts crying about those pay raises, let me point out that President Clinton passed the Presidential pay raise before he left office. And the Congress that voted themselves the pay raise was the current Democrat-controlled one, not the one just elected.

Military personnel deserve a hell of a lot more than 4.1%, considering that most of them live below the poverty line.

I find it interesting that certain Democrats will complain that government employees (who fall into that "tax cuts for the rich" category) didn't receive a bigger pay raise. Why give them more money when, according to you, they are "rich" already? I'd think you'd be all for them getting less.

 

[Delilah903]

Re: A few thoughts

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Before Dems starts crying about those pay raises, let me point out that President Clinton passed the Presidential pay raise before he left office. And the Congress that voted themselves the pay raise was the current Democrat-controlled one, not the one just elected.

Military personnel deserve a hell of a lot more than 4.1%, considering that most of them live below the poverty line.

I find it interesting that certain Democrats will complain that government employees (who fall into that "tax cuts for the rich" category) didn't receive a bigger pay raise. Why give them more money when, according to you, they are "rich" already? I'd think you'd be all for them getting less.

I couldn't agree more Vrai!!

 

[Ken King]

Demsformd,

Give me a break. From someone who supported Clinton and his refusal to fully comply with the Federal Employee Pay Comparability Act of 1990 (PL 101-509), how can you even broach this subject. At least with the current administration, and what is going on in the world, this is the first time a refusal to provide for a full pay raise has been justified in accordance with the law.

Where was your indignation on this matter when Bubba was in office?

 

[Penn]

Indulge Demsformd everyone

Originally posted by Ken King
Demsformd,
Give me a break. From someone who supported Clinton and his refusal to fully comply with the Federal Employee Pay Comparability Act of 1990 (PL 101-509), how can you even broach this subject.
Where was your indignation on this matter when Bubba was in office?

As I said in my earlier post, this guy missed the mark today; he just wants to rant a little. Ken, this fellow occasionally has something worthwhile to add to this politcal forum, however he opened his mouth and inserted a #12 sized shoe, and it's going to be difficult for a time for me to take him seriously on any issue.
Way to go demsformd!!! You have shown your true colors. Still wondering why your folks lost the mid-terms? Look no further than your own backyard.

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[vraiblonde]

Okay, Penn, but this is why Democrats annoy me so much. They pull garbage out of the air, they don't do their homework, they don't get their facts straight, they have no concept of history, they conveniently forget any bad things Democrats have done, they make hay out of the most innocuous things Republicans do, they say "it's just sex" when referring to a federal crime. Then, to top it all off, they say "Why do we always have to talk about Clinton?" when it was THEM who brought him up in the first place.

UFB

The kicker is that they make a statement and don't cite their source. Then, when you ask them to, they either ignore you or say they're too busy to look it up.

Double UFB

 

[Penn]

C'est Vrai, Mon Amie

Yes indeed, you have pretty much summed up what the problem is with liberals(read democraps) like this. The point about "Why do we always have to talk about Clinton" is also very apt. It is, I believe, because they cannot justify his actions or his deeds, other than saying "everybody does it", or "private sex acts
have no bearing on public life". The other cutie I used to really get nauseous on was "it's the economy, stupid".
The economy was going down the tubes at the end of the Clinton years, but you'll not hear a Democrat admit to that fact. No way! It's GW Bush's fault, blah...blah...blah.

penncam

 

[Kain99]

If I were a Democrat.... this would be the moment I would label you an embarassment and cut all ties. How can any adult not understand the cost of war? You must live in a box!

 

[Oz]

Originally posted by Kain99
If I were a Democrat.... this would be the moment I would label you an embarassment and cut all ties.

That's only if you missed that moment when Merv Hampton was an embarrassment to the party on election night, and insulted all voters in St Mary's County.

 

[Penn]

Originally posted by Kain99
If I were a Democrat.... this would be the moment I would label you an embarassment and cut all ties. How can any adult not understand the cost of war? You must live in a box!

If any of you haven't noticed, our flaming liberal has not had the intestinal fortitude to return to this discussion. I would have to say he perceives his credibility is just a tad nicked. I, for one do not put much stock in his arguement; he opened the proverbial"Jack-in-the-box", and I do not believe he's able to muster up much of a retort.
Then again, he might be feverishly searching the
websites for background data, to further his rantings. But, somehow I don't believe that either, that's not his style!!

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[red]

hey blondie! why did you quote me? i didn't say anything about dems or republicans. i just think if they're going to start cutting any kind of pay increases, they should include their own.

 

[MGKrebs]

hopefully dems has a life and is

living it. I will be glad to enter the void and defend his position. In a moment. I am catching up and recovering from tryptophan overdose. I love this country!!!!

 

[Heretic]

Damn I thought I was going to finally get to move up to the 20oz bottle of soda instead of the 12 oz can.

I loose 3 cents per hour big fat hairy deal.

 

[MGKrebs]

OK so,

let's see here. We have a money crunch because of the war. We have to cut back. But we have a choice. We can cut back on the tax cut which is skewed towards the wealthy, or we can cut an automatic pay raise to federal workers by declaring a national emergency.

Have I got it right so far?

 

[Heretic]

Well I would rather not get as big of a raise than I thought I was getting than them to close more bases or RIF people.

The last major war expenditure we had preceded many base closings......

At PAX they are already cutting back

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by red
hey blondie! why did you quote me?

Hey red! Because I can!

Hello, Maynard!

Have I got it right so far?

Sort of. If you consider anyone making over $40K a year "wealthy", then you have it right. But let's think about that 1%, shall we? Because that is, after all, what we're talking about. What is 1% of $100k a year? Did you get $1000? So did I. Now what is that per month? Did you get $83.33? Me, too! Now - what were you saying?

 

[MGKrebs]

Sorry Vrai.

Not following you. (Must be the Bass Ale kicking in. After all, I can afford it. I am wealthy.)

 

[vraiblonde]

OMG! I'm sitting here drinking a Bass too!

The point I was trying to make is that Dems was upset about the 3.1% raise instead of the 4.1% raise - I was just trying to bring it all into perspective.