Private Schools Getting State Aid

[sockgirl77]

Private K-12 Schools in Md. Get Little State Aid - Southern Maryland Headline News

I'm not sure how I feel about this. For now, I'm just not sure why the State should have to give them any money. Private school are a paid option/privilege. I'm not seeing why they need any money. The public schools need that money.

How do you feel about this?

 

[Vince]

What does it matter anymore. OweMalley does whatever he wants with our tax dollars and when he runs out of money, he just raises taxes. :shrug:

 

[awpitt]

Private K-12 Schools in Md. Get Little State Aid - Southern Maryland Headline News

I'm not sure how I feel about this. For now, I'm just not sure why the State should have to give them any money. Private school are a paid option/privilege. I'm not seeing why they need any money. The public schools need that money.

How do you feel about this?

Not sure, really. I wasn't aware that much public money goes to support private schools. I always thought that private schools were supported privately. Hence the term, private schools.

 

[sockgirl77]

Not sure, really. I wasn't aware that much public money goes to support private schools. I always thought that private schools were supported privately. Hence the term, private schools.

I did not know either until I read this article.

 

[Dakota]

I am sure that the parents of these children pay taxes and part of that tax money collected is for education so why not? How do you think a parent(s) feels that puts money into the state tax piggy year after year all while their child attends a private school?

 

[kwillia]

I would think that it cost the state less per child in private school than the state is currently paying to the private school per child.

If the private schools weren't operational, wouldn't it be that many more buildings and overhead, that many more teachers and overhead and then that much more in furnishings and supplies per child than what they are currently paying to the private schools?

 

[blacklabman]

I am sure that the parents of these children pay taxes and part of that tax money collected is for education so why not? How do you think a parent(s) feels that puts money into the state tax piggy year after year all while their child attends a private school?

It is their choice to send their kids to private school. Doesn't matter what percentage of their taxes goes to public education. I've never had a kid in public or private schools. Does that mean I should get a refund on that percentage?

 

[Gilligan]

I am sure that the parents of these children pay taxes and part of that tax money collected is for education so why not?

Exactly. I've had various of my kids in both. And anyone believes that it is a "privilege" for any kid to attend a private school is an idiot. Mine were in private schools only when it was crystal clear at the time that a public school was very much the wrong place for them to be. So I had to dig deep and find the money to pay for it.

 

[Dakota]

It is their choice to send their kids to private school. Doesn't matter what percentage of their taxes goes to public education. I've never had a kid in public or private schools. Does that mean I should get a refund on that percentage?

It does seem like a very unfair system. I won't disagree with that.

Education Finance Statistics Center (EDFIN) - Data Tools

The problem is our government cannot manage themselves out of a paper bag. Take Maryland for example, the average amount of money spent on EACH child in school is @ $13,500 (#'s from 08-09). I'd be willing to bet that if schools were somewhat privatized, they would manage the money better than our government has in the past. Sockgirl started this thread saying "The public schools need that money."

Ummm no they don't, they need to manage costs better. Private schools do far more with far less and produce positive results and they save the tax payers money in the long run.

 

[awpitt]

It does seem like a very unfair system. I won't disagree with that.

Education Finance Statistics Center (EDFIN) - Data Tools

The problem is our government cannot manage themselves out of a paper bag. Take Maryland for example, the average amount of money spent on EACH child in school is @ $13,500 (#'s from 08-09). I'd be willing to bet that if schools were somewhat privatized, they would manage the money better than our government has in the past. Sockgirl started this thread saying "The public schools need that money."

Ummm no they don't, they need to manage costs better. Private schools do far more with far less and produce positive results and they save the tax payers money in the long run.

Not exactly. Private schools don't operate under a mandate that they provide an education to each and every child that comes through the door.

 

[b23hqb]

Not exactly. Private schools don't operate under a mandate that they provide an education to each and every child that comes through the door.

Pretty much exactly. The private/religious schools operate under a mandate that answers to the parents paying the bill that the students receive the education paid for. No student will enter the doors unless paid up.

Florida is paying about $229 million tax dollars this year in school vouchers so low income families with kids in really lousy schools can use those vouchers at private and/or religious schools. These schools have to answer to the state as well concerning the progress of these students.

It helps everybody - the students, the families - even the public schools that lose those students. Those schools still get a portion of that money even though those kids are no longer there. The teachers unions moan and groan, but they haven't lost any teachers overall, except for the ones that want to leave the public school systems or transfer from the lousy schools they are stuck in.

 

[abcxyz]

Make them all private, those with kids can pay and those without don't.

 

[Dakota]

Not exactly. Private schools don't operate under a mandate that they provide an education to each and every child that comes through the door.

I am not sure the public school is doing such a great job. I am amazed at how many people I run across everyday that managed to graduate or get to say, 9th or 10th grade in public schools but they cannot read, write or barely can read or write.

What if the state said, "we are not building bigger schools but we can give out vouchers to students who want to go elsewhere," how many parents would jump at that chance to yank their children out of the public schools and put them elsewhere? Even if they only got $5,000 per year - it is a huge savings for the rest of us paying taxes. I've been to both public and private schools and the one thing I remember is getting brand new books in public school. I remember how nice the public school furniture was also. At private school, I sat at a crummy desk with a text book that was 15 or so years old. I worked harder at private school than I ever did in public school.

 

[bcp]

Private K-12 Schools in Md. Get Little State Aid - Southern Maryland Headline News

I'm not sure how I feel about this. For now, I'm just not sure why the State should have to give them any money. Private school are a paid option/privilege. I'm not seeing why they need any money. The public schools need that money.

How do you feel about this?

Let me see if I can break this down.
The parents of the kids going to the private schools are actually paying the tax that is used for the public schools. Sending their children to a private school does not reduce the tax they pay.
Why shouldn't those parents see some value from the dollar they are being taxed?
And you do understand that by accepting "government" Money, the private schools are going to end up having to follow state mandated agenda that is going to make the private schools as crappy as the public.

But, by putting their kids in private, they open class space for others in public.
as far as thinking they shouldn't get any assistance,
What about the family that pays little in tax but puts 3 or 4 kids in the public school system, should those kids all benefit from tax dollar, even though someone that might make big bucks and pay more in tax is only sending one kid through? Isnt that person paying the offset for the family with low income and many kids.

Lets not even get into the single, or the married couple without kids, because, they are still paying the school tax and are using none of the services..

 

[abcxyz]

Lets not even get into the single, or the married couple without kids, because, they are still paying the school tax and are using none of the services..

Correct but I am sure someone will come up with how we benefit by having all these smart kids around here. I beg to differ.

 

[bcp]

Correct but I am sure someone will come up with how we benefit by having all these smart kids around here. I beg to differ.

If schools were actually trying to teach kids to their potential, I would think that it would do the country a great deal of good to have an educated public, however, since the schools seem to be lowering the standards to stroke the ego of the least able students, we are paying good money for a less educated society.

Sorry to sound cold but, what is needed is to turn the standards around, teach what needs to be taught, teach it to the highest standard and fail those that don't have the incentive to apply themselves. The end product is going to be much better.

 

[awpitt]

Pretty much exactly. The private/religious schools operate under a mandate that answers to the parents paying the bill that the students receive the education paid for. No student will enter the doors unless paid up.

No, not "pretty much exactly". Private schools can basically pick and choose who gets in. Private schools don't have to deal with children who have problems. Public schools have to provide an education to every child, regardless of what problems and challenges that child might have. Once public and private schools operate under the same set of rules, then they can be compared. Until then, comparing public and private schools is nothing but a compassion of apples to oranges.

 

[sockgirl77]

No, not "pretty much exactly". Private schools can basically pick and choose who gets in. Private schools don't have to deal with children who have problems. Public schools have to provide an education to every child, regardless of what problems and challenges that child might have. Once public and private schools operate under the same set of rules, then they can be compared. Until then, comparing public and private schools is nothing but a compassion of apples to oranges.

Private schools around here now will take in any child that is not overly-special needs because they need the money. They know that a lot of kids are sent to them because they are either being picked on in public schools or have become a nuisance.

 

[kwillia]

No, not "pretty much exactly". Private schools can basically pick and choose who gets in. Private schools don't have to deal with children who have problems. Public schools have to provide an education to every child, regardless of what problems and challenges that child might have. Once public and private schools operate under the same set of rules, then they can be compared. Until then, comparing public and private schools is nothing but a compassion of apples to oranges.

Exactly!

I know many that chose to put their children in private schools not because of the religious teachings but rather to shelter them from having to be in the same class with lower-class students.

 

[kwillia]

Private schools around here now will take in any child that is not overly-special needs because they need the money. They know that a lot of kids are sent to them because they are either being picked on in public schools or have become a nuisance.

His point is that the school has the right to refuse the child or can kick the child out later if they want to... public schools do not have that choice.