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[sweetpetutie]

Does this sound right?? Someone I know with a long record has been in and out of jail and out on bail for different crimes. I don't know how this person keeps getting off. In one case a bench warrant was issued when he didn't show up for court, the police picked him up a couple weeks later for something else, so they had him, but then let him go?? He has been put on supervised probation in one district and in another district he has been on supervised probation with a year and a half jail time hanging over his head, YET he got caught again for another crime and someone posted bond and he's back out. I always thought that if you are on probation with a jail sentence waiting in the wings for you that if you screw up you go straight to jail without passing go!! But now he's out again waiting for this hearing in a month, and another hearing in the other district where he is on probation. I used to have respect for our judicial system, but this situation has been nothing but a huge joke. This jerk is out laughing about it and swearing he is smarter than the system. It's sickening to see this happening. Does this make sense to anyone??

 

[RPMDAD]

Does this sound right?? Someone I know with a long record has been in and out of jail and out on bail for different crimes. I don't know how this person keeps getting off. In one case a bench warrant was issued when he didn't show up for court, the police picked him up a couple weeks later for something else, so they had him, but then let him go?? He has been put on supervised probation in one district and in another district he has been on supervised probation with a year and a half jail time hanging over his head, YET he got caught again for another crime and someone posted bond and he's back out. I always thought that if you are on probation with a jail sentence waiting in the wings for you that if you screw up you go straight to jail without passing go!! But now he's out again waiting for this hearing in a month, and another hearing in the other district where he is on probation. I used to have respect for our judicial system, but this situation has been nothing but a huge joke. This jerk is out laughing about it and swearing he is smarter than the system. It's sickening to see this happening. Does this make sense to anyone??

I agree this does not make any sense at all. One clarification to your post though.
In one case a bench warrant was issued when he didn't show up for court, the police picked him up a couple weeks later for something else, so they had him, but then let him go??
When the police picked him up on the warrant, i am sure they turned him over to the dept. of corrections. at which time the court system got involved and set bond which was paid and the court system ordered his release on bond. Police keep locking him up, court system keeps letting him out never ending cycle.

 

[Justme2]

Yup happens all the time, some people know what to say to get out of jail free and the right lawyers to hire and rip off. If anything get him or her to right a book on how to beat the system and we all will be rich.

 

[sweetpetutie]

I agree this does not make any sense at all. One clarification to your post though.
In one case a bench warrant was issued when he didn't show up for court, the police picked him up a couple weeks later for something else, so they had him, but then let him go??
When the police picked him up on the warrant, i am sure they turned him over to the dept. of corrections. at which time the court system got involved and set bond which was paid and the court system ordered his release on bond. Police keep locking him up, court system keeps letting him out never ending cycle.

You're probably right about the warrant. So much has gone on with this guy it's hard to keep it all straight.

 

[VoteJP]

Mr Short-Bus.

Does this sound right?? Someone I know with a long record has been in and out of jail and out on bail for different crimes. I don't know how this person keeps getting off.

This jerk is out laughing about it and swearing he is smarter than the system. It's sickening to see this happening. Does this make sense to anyone??

The law does have limitations, as like the St Mary's County Detention Center (as every jail system in the USA) has been severely over crowded for many years now, and that is not just about the inmates as that overcrowding puts severe stress on the Correctional Officers in keeping order, and it creates a hostile environment, and it allows for the outbreak of diseases, and it cost a huge amount of cash money per each inmate.

And you do not say if the person is a violent criminal instead of some non violent drug crimes or theft or other charges that has no real victim.

The parole and probation services are severely over loaded too, and those are far more detrimental systems than beneficial.

My first thought is why would you yourself want to do the person so harshly as if yourself were their judge and try being a friend to the man instead of his accuser.

 

[glhs837]

And you do not say if the person is a violent criminal instead of some non violent drug crimes or theft or other charges that has no real victim.

Sorry, but "non-violent" crimes still have victims, and lead to violent crime. Drug crimes, while having no immediate victim, supply motivation for many violent crimes, from drug dealers committing crimes against folks who dont pay, upstream to the drug lords, who get the money used to buy those drugs, to murder thousands who dare stand against them.

Theft is from someone, and that someone is a real victim.

 

[donbarzini]

The law does have limitations, as like the St Mary's County Detention Center (as every jail system in the USA) has been severely over crowded for many years now, and that is not just about the inmates as that overcrowding puts severe stress on the Correctional Officers in keeping order, and it creates a hostile environment, and it allows for the outbreak of diseases, and it cost a huge amount of cash money per each inmate.

And you do not say if the person is a violent criminal instead of some non violent drug crimes or theft or other charges that has no real victim.

The parole and probation services are severely over loaded too, and those are far more detrimental systems than beneficial.

My first thought is why would you yourself want to do the person so harshly as if yourself were their judge and try being a friend to the man instead of his
accuser.

Hey

 

[itsbob]

.... non violent drug crimes ....

I'd say there is not such thing..

But you're too much of a moron to understand that concept.

 

[itsbob]

The law does have limitations, as like the St Mary's County Detention Center (as every jail system in the USA) has been severely over crowded for many years now, and that is not just about the inmates as that overcrowding puts severe stress on the Correctional Officers in keeping order, and it creates a hostile environment, and it allows for the outbreak of diseases, and it cost a huge amount of cash money per each inmate.

And you do not say if the person is a violent criminal instead of some non violent drug crimes or theft or other charges that has no real victim.

The parole and probation services are severely over loaded too, and those are far more detrimental systems than beneficial.

My first thought is why would you yourself want to do the person so harshly as if yourself were their judge and try being a friend to the man instead of his accuser.

Did have a question or two for you..

How much does it cost to register to run for Governor, and where did that money come from?

 

[royhobie]

It's more cruel leaving him out in the summer heat without the comforts of Air Conditioning in the summer or heat in the winter. Plus, the Detention Center will give him plenty of food and water, a roof over his head, a nice bed to sleep in, that nearly 1500 of our St. Mary's County citizens "do not" have. Also, if he gets a tooth ache, it's covered by the taxpayer for dental care. If he gets sick and wants to go to the hospital, that is covered as well. He can have access to computers, a library and they have a "basketball Court. Yeah, that's right. Basketball court. Did I mention that he can sit back and watch TV for a good part of the day? We have homeless people all over the place, and now being in JAIL is far, far above being homeless. What have we become as a society???

What I find interesting is that a lot of inmates like to stitch a cross while in jail. I guess they are giving thanks to god that they are in jail?

 

[Justme2]

Worked with a guy that was looking to go to jail for a crime he commited and sentenced to weekends. he claimed there was not anything to do around the house but in jail he knew half the people and had a good time Playing checkers, read a book, play basket ball. It was like a country club to him.

 

[Geruch]

And you do not say if the person is a violent criminal instead of some non violent drug crimes or theft or other charges that has no real victim.

My first thought is why would you yourself want to do the person so harshly as if yourself were their judge and try being a friend to the man instead of his accuser.

Since your running for governor got a question for you.
Why would you appoint a treasury person that a known drug user and a thief with a long criminal history?

What do you consider a real victim?

Most law bidding citizen rather not socialize with known criminals.

 

[sweetpetutie]

The law does have limitations, as like the St Mary's County Detention Center (as every jail system in the USA) has been severely over crowded for many years now, and that is not just about the inmates as that overcrowding puts severe stress on the Correctional Officers in keeping order, and it creates a hostile environment, and it allows for the outbreak of diseases, and it cost a huge amount of cash money per each inmate.

And you do not say if the person is a violent criminal instead of some non violent drug crimes or theft or other charges that has no real victim.

The parole and probation services are severely over loaded too, and those are far more detrimental systems than beneficial.

My first thought is why would you yourself want to do the person so harshly as if yourself were their judge and try being a friend to the man instead of his accuser.

This person is family. He is someone my husband and I took in to give him a chance when his life was out of control and at rock bottom. He didn't like any rules at all and took off. Later when he was caught again he came back begging and promising to change. He stole from us as we found out from a pawn shop down the road and later found that it wasn't the first time. We gave him the run of our downstairs family room which he trashed beyond belief. We found huffing paraphenalia. He treated us like dirt and slept until noon, grabbed food from our refrigerator and left with no word. We confronted him, he lied and then we wouldn't hear from him again until the next time he was in trouble. We offered him opportunities no one else would give him. He is a thief, a drug abuser and most likely a seller, all kinds of traffic crimes and he doesn't even have a license. When he gets caught he comes begging for another chance and we offer him a chance of hope but he has to help himself as well which he refuses to do. He has hurt himself multiple times to get attention and has hurt others fighting. He has a horrible attitude, tries to make people feel guilt for 'not helping him'. Moans and groans at the thought of work or taking a drug test. On and on and on. I am certainly not trying to be his judge. We've gone way above and beyond. He has no fixed address and just slums around causing trouble and getting locked up only to get back out. One day he might cause horrible harm to someone or himself. He needs help he doesn't get on the street. He needs to learn a hard lesson about life. Call me cruel, but I think his only chance is spending time in jail to maybe wake him up. The path he is on is a dangerous one.

 

[Merlin99]

Did have a question or two for you..

How much does it cost to register to run for Governor, and where did that money come from?

Just in case you seriously wanted to know.

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[VoteJP]

Mr Short-Bus.

This person is family. He is someone my husband and I took in to give him a chance when his life was out of control and at rock bottom. He didn't like any rules at all and took off. Later when he was caught again he came back begging and promising to change. He stole from us as we found out from a pawn shop down the road and later found that it wasn't the first time. We gave him the run of our downstairs family room which he trashed beyond belief. We found huffing paraphernalia. He treated us like dirt and slept until noon, grabbed food from our refrigerator and left with no word. We confronted him, he lied and then we wouldn't hear from him again until the next time he was in trouble. We offered him opportunities no one else would give him. He is a thief, a drug abuser and most likely a seller, all kinds of traffic crimes and he doesn't even have a license. When he gets caught he comes begging for another chance and we offer him a chance of hope but he has to help himself as well which he refuses to do. He has hurt himself multiple times to get attention and has hurt others fighting. He has a horrible attitude, tries to make people feel guilt for 'not helping him'. Moans and groans at the thought of work or taking a drug test. On and on and on. I am certainly not trying to be his judge. We've gone way above and beyond. He has no fixed address and just slums around causing trouble and getting locked up only to get back out. One day he might cause horrible harm to someone or himself. He needs help he doesn't get on the street. He needs to learn a hard lesson about life. Call me cruel, but I think his only chance is spending time in jail to maybe wake him up. The path he is on is a dangerous one.

I appreciate that you do not get offended, and I respect that you disregard the foolish posting of some others here.

My post was intended to try to explain some big reasons as to why the law does not put people into jail because the law has some big limitations.

From your words above then I say (with no offense intended) that you and your husband have put that person into your own jail in your own home, and it is you and your husband that needs to put the criminal man out onto the streets and let him go.

Even if he is not with you now (as I do not know) then if not he surely waits for the day to return to your jail.

It is called "enabling" because you are enabling that man to live as a scoundrel by keeping him in your nice jail of your house and he needs to be released.

He does not need to be put into jail, and the law knows that.

Surely when he goes to Court he tells them of you two helping him and giving your address as his own and the Court is expecting you to help out the man as the law does not want him.

Some one like that would never live in my home.

And he surely will go out seeking other people to mis-use and to abuse.

 

[VoteJP]

Mr Short-Bus.

Since your running for governor got a question for you.
Why would you appoint a treasury person that a known drug user and a thief with a long criminal history?

Because he is an old friend that I completely trust and his opinions are such that I value and I like my old friend very much.

Plus he gives me a great deal of trust in this too and I appreciate that.

His crimes and criminal history do have explanations that the law and Court does not respect.

He is a wounded veteran as a Corporal of the US Army in the Vietnam war, and he is disabled through the VA though I do not know all the particulars.

And it is not just him as my friend, because I do not judge any person by their criminal record unless I believe the person is still an active danger to others and then I object to such as that.

What do you consider a real victim?

That needs to be done on a case by case basis but there are principles that can apply in many cases.

As in I heard once that K-Mart prosecutes many shop lifters every year and it claims many of its prices are inflated due to theft crimes, and then it said that K-Mart suffers some $100,000 per year by theft.

Well big stores like K-Mart makes million and even billions of dollars while it takes a lot of stealing to make up the relatively small amount of $100,000.

The security system in each store possible cost $100,000 per year to pay guards and to monitor cameras and taking time to go to Court to prosecute citizen that are caught stealing $20 items from a billion dollar corporation.

When a rich store or rich person prosecuting a poor citizen for a petty crime then I do not see the big rich as the victim but as an abuser.

Most law bidding citizen rather not socialize with known criminals.

Yes, and that is a prejudice which I do not share.

And it did influence me when I was in jail and in prison with persons that had done murders and others with horrible criminals, because then I learned how to differentiate between the dangerous and the lost souls and the better persons, IMO.

 

[sweetpetutie]

I appreciate that you do not get offended, and I respect that you disregard the foolish posting of some others here.

My post was intended to try to explain some big reasons as to why the law does not put people into jail because the law has some big limitations.

From your words above then I say (with no offense intended) that you and your husband have put that person into your own jail in your own home, and it is you and your husband that needs to put the criminal man out onto the streets and let him go.

Even if he is not with you now (as I do not know) then if not he surely waits for the day to return to your jail.

It is called "enabling" because you are enabling that man to live as a scoundrel by keeping him in your nice jail of your house and he needs to be released.

He does not need to be put into jail, and the law knows that.

Surely when he goes to Court he tells them of you two helping him and giving your address as his own and the Court is expecting you to help out the man as the law does not want him.

Some one like that would never live in my home.

And he surely will go out seeking other people to mis-use and to abuse.

Since the third and last time we let him stay there has been almost no contact. As long as he behaves as he does he is not welcome in our home. We have made that clear. We hear about his shenanigans through MD Judiciary Case Search and when we receive a recorded message from the corrections office from him which we do not answer anymore. He knows not to call us for money. He knows we don't trust him. We drew the line and discontinued enabling maybe six months ago. The law must at some point wake up, look at the record, look at the probations and warrants, see that on active probation he is not showing up for appointments he is supposed to be making with counselors and his probation officer, etc. Do you think only murderers and harder criminals deserve to go to jail? Don't you understand that when a person is continually high that they are liable to do anything? How dare you blame us. You are not getting the message. It's as if you're saying that because of a lack of prisons and guards, etc., there are most likely many, many people who should be in jail, happily walking among us. That's just peachy. Our 'jail' closed a long time ago. Exactly where do you think he should be??? He has worn out everyone's welcome.

 

[Geruch]

Because he is an old friend that I completely trust and his opinions are such that I value and I like my old friend very much.

Plus he gives me a great deal of trust in this too and I appreciate that.

His crimes and criminal history do have explanations that the law and Court does not respect.

He is a wounded veteran as a Corporal of the US Army in the Vietnam war, and he is disabled through the VA though I do not know all the particulars.

And it is not just him as my friend, because I do not judge any person by their criminal record unless I believe the person is still an active danger to others and then I object to such as that.

Yea, You love the criminals. That's where you best fit in.
Any senseable person wouldn't listen to your bs.

That needs to be done on a case by case basis but there are principles that can apply in many cases.

As in I heard once that K-Mart prosecutes many shop lifters every year and it claims many of its prices are inflated due to theft crimes, and then it said that K-Mart suffers some $100,000 per year by theft.

Well big stores like K-Mart makes million and even billions of dollars while it takes a lot of stealing to make up the relatively small amount of $100,000.

The security system in each store possible cost $100,000 per year to pay guards and to monitor cameras and taking time to go to Court to prosecute citizen that are caught stealing $20 items from a billion dollar corporation.

When a rich store or rich person prosecuting a poor citizen for a petty crime then I do not see the big rich as the victim but as an abuser.

Whatever happen to Thou Shall Not Steal ?
What that doesn't apply because it's a store.

You say receiving child support is stealing. But your ok if someone steal from someone else.

Yea, You do fit right in with the criminals.

 

[VoteJP]

Mr Short-Bus.

Since the third and last time we let him stay there has been almost no contact. As long as he behaves as he does he is not welcome in our home. We have made that clear. We hear about his shenanigans through MD Judiciary Case Search and when we receive a recorded message from the corrections office from him which we do not answer anymore. He knows not to call us for money. He knows we don't trust him. We drew the line and discontinued enabling maybe six months ago. The law must at some point wake up, look at the record, look at the probations and warrants, see that on active probation he is not showing up for appointments he is supposed to be making with counselors and his probation officer, etc. Do you think only murderers and harder criminals deserve to go to jail? Don't you understand that when a person is continually high that they are liable to do anything? How dare you blame us. You are not getting the message. It's as if you're saying that because of a lack of prisons and guards, etc., there are most likely many, many people who should be in jail, happily walking among us. That's just peachy. Our 'jail' closed a long time ago. Exactly where do you think he should be??? He has worn out everyone's welcome.

Jail might not help him at all, and it might even make him worse, and jail does not help very many people to reform.

People like that need to bottom-out as in hit-their-bottom and then maybe turn them self around.

There is nothing known that we can do, and I have such persons in my concerns too.

I believe a person needs to find God as in find a faith and a purpose for living because nothing else has the huge power needy to save a lost soul.

There is a group which is all over the world and here in So MD too called "Al-Anon" which gives help and support to the family members of alcoholics, and most have drug problems too and other issues along with alcohol.

It is for the family members of the addicted person and they really can help if one takes the time to go to the meetings.

Al-Anon Information

Alanon of Southern Maryland

 

[Geruch]

It's as if you're saying that because of a lack of prisons and guards, etc., there are most likely many, many people who should be in jail, happily walking among us. That's just peachy. Our 'jail' closed a long time ago. Exactly where do you think he should be??? He has worn out everyone's welcome.

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The first action as Governor would be to order a blanket pardon for any person incarcerated in Maryland for any related Child Support offense, and order their immediate release from jail and from any subsequent parole or supervision. Then order the termination of all activity in the Courts concerning the Child Support enforcement.
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Unless a person with the problem is willing to change. That person not going to seek help.