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[sweetpetutie]

Jail might not help him at all, and it might even make him worse, and jail does not help very many people to reform.

People like that need to bottom-out as in hit-their-bottom and then maybe turn them self around.

There is nothing known that we can do, and I have such persons in my concerns too.

I believe a person needs to find God as in find a faith and a purpose for living because nothing else has the huge power needy to save a lost soul.

There is a group which is all over the world and here in So MD too called "Al-Anon" which gives help and support to the family members of alcoholics, and most have drug problems too and other issues along with alcohol.

It is for the family members of the addicted person and they really can help if one takes the time to go to the meetings.

Al-Anon Information

Alanon of Southern Maryland

I'll be brief this time. Religion, group meetings, etc. mean nothing to some people who are totally strung out. He is lower than rock bottom. Right now he is most likely trying to figure out the best way to get away with stealing something while doing drugs in a hole in the wall somewhere. I don't know about your world, but I hope you don't mind me saying, you are a little naive. As far as 'there's nothing we can do', WOW, who the heck is in charge around here anyway? Sort of looks like the criminals are.

 

[VoteJP]

Mr Short-Bus.

I'll be brief this time. Religion, group meetings, etc. mean nothing to some people who are totally strung out. He is lower than rock bottom.

The Al-Anon meetings are for you and your husband or for other caring family members, and it is NOT for the person with the addictions.

 

[sweetpetutie]

The Al-Anon meetings are for you and your husband or for other caring family members, and it is NOT for the person with the addictions.

I know. Been there, done that, understand the concept. Again, where do you think this person should be if not in jail, considering the crimes and all I've explained. I'm really trying to understand how breaking the law repeatedly does not warrant time in jail. And also please explain to me why if someone is on probation with a two year sentence, that they can continue to break the law and still be released. Does probation mean anything anymore?

 

[donbarzini]

I know. Been there, done that, understand the concept. Again, where do you think this person should be if not in jail, considering the crimes and all I've explained. I'm really trying to understand how breaking the law repeatedly does not warrant time in jail. And also please explain to me why if someone is on probation with a two year sentence, that they can continue to break the law and still be released. Does probation mean anything anymore?

Please don't waste your time trying to use logic with JPC. Every time I see someone do that I'm reminded of Dorothy and The Wizard:

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

He's not a bad wizard, he's just a stupid man.

 

[VoteJP]

Mr Short-Bus.

Please don't waste your time trying to use logic with JPC. Every time I see someone do that I'm reminded of Dorothy and The Wizard:

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

He's not a bad wizard, he's just a stupid man.

At least I am trying to address the thread subject and not attacking a messenger for giving a message.

The law has the jails overloaded and overcrowded and limited budget and the Office of Parole and Probation is swamped too.

Our jails and prisons are all over burdened as we have intrusive laws that put citizens into jail when there is no violence and no victims and many laws are not even based on real crimes.

The woman tells us that this particular man has broken his probation and he has committed crimes, but we do not have any info to suggest that he is dangerous nor violent and he probably is just a "good-time" boy that just wants to have his fun.

We can not put citizens into the overcrowded jails unless there is a significant reason to do so, because like the law has to be able to put and parent in jail for Child Support so they can not be taking up space in jail by putting real criminals in their place.

 

[sweetpetutie]

At least I am trying to address the thread subject and not attacking a messenger for giving a message.

The law has the jails overloaded and overcrowded and limited budget and the Office of Parole and Probation is swamped too.

Our jails and prisons are all over burdened as we have intrusive laws that put citizens into jail when there is no violence and no victims and many laws are not even based on real crimes.

The woman tells us that this particular man has broken his probation and he has committed crimes, but we do not have any info to suggest that he is dangerous nor violent and he probably is just a "good-time" boy that just wants to have his fun.

We can not put citizens into the overcrowded jails unless there is a significant reason to do so, because like the law has to be able to put and parent in jail for Child Support so they can not be taking up space in jail by putting real criminals in their place.

Because he is an old friend that I completely trust and his opinions are such that I value and I like my old friend very much.

Plus he gives me a great deal of trust in this too and I appreciate that.

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I love this person I'm referring to but scared for him. I've told you over and over the story I started out with. I haven't given a lot of detail that would more clearly show this person as a true criminal but feel I've explained enough. For a minute, why not give me the benefit of the doubt like you give your friend and believe me. He is a real criminal. Let's just say a person, any person who is a real criminal was told by a judge that during probation if he screwed up one time that he would go directly to jail and serve his time without question. Then that person is arrested for another crime and he is able to get out on bail again. It doesn't matter what you think about my personal situation anymore because you're not listening. I give up. I think everyone else here understands what I'm saying. I think they are listening. Your mindset has not changed since this thread started no matter what I've said. Are you saying jails are overflowing and there is no room for other criminals and this is acceptable? That is my question. What should be done with this person and why wasn't he sent to prison as directed by the judge. The law is a laughing stock when a criminal is allowed to go free time after time with nothing but threats and no repercussions. Ignore your personal feelings and what I've said and haven't said. What do you think should happen to this person.

 

[sweetpetutie]

Please don't waste your time trying to use logic with JPC. Every time I see someone do that I'm reminded of Dorothy and The Wizard:

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

He's not a bad wizard, he's just a stupid man.

Wise words. I quit.

 

[Tigerlily]

I know. Been there, done that, understand the concept. Again, where do you think this person should be if not in jail, considering the crimes and all I've explained. I'm really trying to understand how breaking the law repeatedly does not warrant time in jail. And also please explain to me why if someone is on probation with a two year sentence, that they can continue to break the law and still be released. Does probation mean anything anymore?

No probation does not mean a thing and I can cite way too many examples that would prove it. I know of at least four cases of people arrested for dealing drugs and other crimes that were tried and convicted of the crime but yet were offered release back on our streets again for a price.

Our judicial system blows in that sense. Criminals get chance after chance after chance. Law enforcement officers try to clean up the streets and the magistrates and judges just let them right back out. As far as drug dealers go it is all about revenue. They buy there way out and go back to dealing and they will surely be dumb enough to do it again.

Having a lawyer to represent you is just another tool in greasing the judicial wheel. The whole way the system works ticks me off but in the end if a person does not want to make a change in their life they will continue to travel down the wrong road and the system knows and thrives off of that very fact. Cha-ching!!

 

[Geruch]

Wise words. I quit.

Don't quit just yet.

Here's the most recent article I found about over crowded jail's in St. Mary's County is from 2008.

Over Crowded Jail's

It's time to build a bigger jail. Overcrowding been a problem for quite awhile. I don't see any good in letting criminals go. When they keep committing crimes. One day someone might or will get seriously hurt. Then what.

Even though JP Cusick wants to think over crowding is cause by putting parents in jail for disobeying a court order to pay child support. I'm pretty sure, the amount that actually go to jail is very little..

 

[Geruch]

Our jails and prisons are all over burdened as we have intrusive laws that put citizens into jail when there is no violence and no victims and many laws are not even based on real crimes.

Name me some type's of crimes that have no victims.

What kinds of laws aren't based on real crimes?

 

[sweetpetutie]

Don't quit just yet.

Here's the most recent article I found about over crowded jail's in St. Mary's County is from 2008.

Over Crowded Jail's

It's time to build a bigger jail. Overcrowding been a problem for quite awhile. I don't see any good in letting criminals go. When they keep committing crimes. One day someone might or will get seriously hurt. Then what.

Even though JP Cusick wants to think over crowding is cause by putting parents in jail for disobeying a court order to pay child support. I'm pretty sure, the amount that actually go to jail is very little..

Unbelievable reading! Mr. Cusick, has anyone ever broken into your home by force, stolen your money, your computer and all the personal knowledge and possessions stored that you can never get back, herded your pets with force into a room with a flashlight, causing you to question if you can ever feel safe there anymore? It happened to us. Then it happened to a neighbor, and then someone around the corner. There was evidence. You consider people doing drugs not to be criminals? He used a beer can trying to smoke insulin he stole from our neighbor. Who does that?? Does that not tell you how desparate a person can be to get high that he would do almost anything it took to get there? This guy is still out. He has a long record and I see he has a court date coming up for another theft. My husband walked in on him during the robbery and he ran out of our broken back door. My husband and dogs could have been killed. What exactly does it take for you to see how wrong your thinking and our judicial system are???

 

[limblips]

The courts are overloaded with cases, hence we have plea bargains. All perps know that if they commit a crime, they can plea to a lesser charge and receive minimal punishment. Since they get off with probation or a few months in jail they are out and go right back to the activities that they did before. Jail over crowding is another issue. The "rights" groups have made it a priority to protect the rights of criminals. Therefore, over crowding is inhumane. So, the courts reduce sentences to reduce prison populations.
I say, that when a criminal is convicted send him to jail for the maximum allowed by law, no pleas, no rights, no comfy conditions. If he/she feels bad because he is in crowded conditions, tough ####. We coddle criminals and forget the impact to the victims. As long as we continue this approach to handling crime, we will continue to see it increase. In prison, the conditions should be so bad that even a dog would not want to do anything to return there. Screw them, their rights as a person should terminate upon conviction of any criminal activity.
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