Psssst don't tell the dems . . . but . . .

Thor

Active Member
. . . its working.


BAGHDAD, March 14 (KUNA) -- The rate of killings of US troops in Iraq has been on the decline, down by 60 percent, since the launch of the new security measures in Baghdad, according to statistics revealed by the Multi-National Force -Iraq Combined Press Information Centre.

Only 17 members of the US military in Iraq have been killed since February 14 till March 13, compared to 42 from January 13 to February 13; the rate was on the decline during the first month of the security crackdown, compared to a month before.

http://www.kuna.net.kw/Home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=961365
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

New Member
Thor said:
. . . its working.


BAGHDAD, March 14 (KUNA) -- The rate of killings of US troops in Iraq has been on the decline, down by 60 percent, since the launch of the new security measures in Baghdad, according to statistics revealed by the Multi-National Force -Iraq Combined Press Information Centre.

Only 17 members of the US military in Iraq have been killed since February 14 till March 13, compared to 42 from January 13 to February 13; the rate was on the decline during the first month of the security crackdown, compared to a month before.

http://www.kuna.net.kw/Home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=961365
As a Democrat, I say "good."

I'm glad to see the Surge is doing its job effectively.
 

Thor

Active Member
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
As a Democrat, I say "good."

I'm glad to see the Surge is doing its job effectively.

I should have said don't tell the dems on the hill. Sorry
 

Vince

......
Nucklesack said:
Anyone notice that Pre-Surge all you heard was "Retired General so-n-so is against the surge". Now that its (the Surge) has been in place and working for a bit, and there are tangible results where is all the "Surge" coverage now?
You won't get the liberals in the News Media to cover anything positive about the war, but if something is wrong, and especially if Bush had anything to do with it, they'll play loud and clear. I watch Fox just to see what they put on. I see crap like ANS for 2 or 3 weeks solid, but not alot of war news.
 

Idiot

New Member
Thor said:
Only 17 members of the US military in Iraq have been killed since February 14 till March 13, compared to 42 from January 13 to February 13; the rate was on the decline during the first month of the security crackdown, compared to a month before.

http://www.kuna.net.kw/Home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=961365

I've never heard of KUNA and couldn't connect to that URL, but those numbers aren't what I've been seeing. Here are icasualties.org's numbers and they're quite a bit different.

Anyone have a DOD link?
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
I'm trying to be cautious with any good news. al Qaeda and the insurgents could just be laying low for a while; regrouping. This is the problem with announcing to the world what our strategy is going to be.
 

Thor

Active Member
PsyOps said:
I'm trying to be cautious with any good news. al Qaeda and the insurgents could just be laying low for a while; regrouping. This is the problem with announcing to the world what our strategy is going to be.


Yeah that is one of my concerns as well. I heard an interview on NPR about a week before we put the troops in, it was with a member of the Madhi army, he was saying their plan was to hide the weapons and and law low until the US left. Seems like that might be what they are doing.
 

Idiot

New Member
Nucklesack said:
KUNA is Kuwait News Agency.

Since you couldnt get to the Link you missed this


The Kuwait News Agency report was about a decline of violence in Baghdad

And read your own link, subtract the 2 Non-Hostile Deaths and Subtract non-Baghdad figures and you get 17 for the period of February 14 through March 13. 42 for January 13 through February 13.

Seems the Surge is working

Was that the goal of the surge? To reduce the number of deaths in Baghdad?

There were 74 total US deaths in Iraq between 2/14 and 3/13. The average number for the last 12 months is 72. If deaths in Baghdad are decreasing, which appears to be the case and it's a great thing, deaths elsewhere in Iraq appear to be increasing. The good news is the numbers are better if you only go back 4 or 5 months, so maybe this is the start of a trend. I hope so.

:smile:
 

Idiot

New Member
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
That was a stupid comment, take it back. :smack:

Take it back? How old are you?

Had I been able to connect to the link my response would have been different, but there's no way you can interpret the first 2 paragraphs of that article to mean anything other than total deaths in Iraq were significantly down, and that's not the case.

Thanks Nucklesack. You had to read at least 7 paragraphs out of a total of 8 to get that vital piece of info.
 

Idiot

New Member
Nucklesack said:
No the surge wasnt just for Baghdad, but the article you are trying to disprove was.

You tried to dispute the original article by posting a link (you thought) showed that the facts of the article (you thought) were wrong. unfortunately for you, your own link showed otherwise.

So.... do you think the data cited by the article indicate that the surge is working?
 

Dupontster

Would THIS face lie?
PsyOps said:
I'm trying to be cautious with any good news. al Qaeda and the insurgents could just be laying low for a while; regrouping. This is the problem with announcing to the world what our strategy is going to be.[/QUOTE]


That is sooooo right....I never could figure that out...If I'm gonna kick your butt, I'm not going to tell the world....Especially you....I like the surprise attack.... :lmao:
 

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
Hunky Dory?

Photo: Iraqi citizens plead with foreign occupation soldiers from U.S. 2nd Platoon Charlie Troop, 3rd Squadron of the 61st Cavalry Regiment not to destroy their belongings. They are forced at gunpoint to get out of their own home while the foreigners search it, taking away whatever they want. (GI Special 5C13 caption)

Bring 'em on: March 13, a MND-B unit struck a roadside bomb while on a combat patrol in a southern section of the Iraqi capital, killing one Soldier and wounding three others. (MNF- Iraq)

Bring 'em on: March 13, a MND-B unit struck a roadside bomb while conducting these types of combined security operations in a northeastern section of the Iraqi capital, killing one Soldier and wounding another. (MNF- Iraq)
Bring 'em on: A Marine assigned to Multi National Force-West was killed Mar. 13 while conducting combat operations in Al Anbar Province.

(MNF- Iraq)
OTHER SECURITY INCIDENTS Baghdad: In western Baghdad, a suicide car bomber slammed into an Iraqi army checkpoint in the neighbourhood of Yarmouk , killing two civilians and wounding four others, police said.

Gunmen wounded the head of Baghdad's Adhamiya Municipality, and killed two of his bodyguards, police said.

Iskandariya:
A Sunni mosque was badly damaged when gunmen planted bombs inside it in the town of Iskandariya, 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.

Dinwaniya:
Gunmen killed two police officers and wounded another in a drive-by shooting in the southern city of Diwaniya, 180 km (110 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.

Tikrit:
The head of the local Iraqi Red Crescent Society branch in Tikrit was abducted by gunmen on Monday night.

Tuz Khormato:
A suicide bomber struck a market in northern Iraq, killing at least eight people and wounding 25, police said. The explosion occurred just before noon as the market was crowded with shoppers in Tuz Khormato, 210 kilometres north of Baghdad.

Kirkuk:
An Iraqi civilian was killed when an explosive charge went off near his private car in southwest of Kirkuk, 250 km northeast of Baghdad, a security source said Wednesday. "An explosive charge detonated late on Tuesday near a civilian car on the highway linking Tikrit to Riadh in southwest of Kirkuk," the source, who asked not to be named, told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq.

Fallujah: The bodies of two men were found, with gunshot wounds and signs of torture, near the Sunni Arab stronghold of Falluja, 50 km (35 miles) west of Baghdad, police said. "Unidentified gunmen opened fire against an army vehicle patrol in al-Julan neighborhood, north of Falluja, on Wednesday afternoon," the source, who asked to be unnamed, told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq (VOI). "Fierce clashes erupted after the attack between Iraqi forces and the armed men," the source added, giving no further details.

Two cleaners were killed by U.S. forces in Falluja, the source said. "Bullets were fired from a U.S. base in Arbayeen Street, near to a mosque in al-Dubat neighborhood in central Falluja, wounding two cleaners who were rushed to the hospital. However they died of their wounds," he noted. The U.S. forces are using a residential house as a military base in al-Dubat neighborhood.
 

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
Hunky dory?

Baghdad: A roadside bomb hit a minibus carrying Industry Ministry employees in northern Baghdad, killing two workers and wounding six.

A total of 15 bodies with gunshot wounds were found on Monday in different districts of Baghdad, police said.

Insurgents blew up a roadside bomb on the Muhammad al-Qasim Highway Street in eastern Baghdad, killing a civilian and wounding two.
Gunmen attacked a police patrol near the Rubaie street in Zaiyounah, killing three policemen and injuring another.

A Katyusha rocket landed on a commercial street of Karrada in central Baghdad, killing two people and wounding two others, police said.

Two civilians were killed and six others wounded when a Katyusha missile fell in central Baghdad on Tuesday, Iraqi police sources said.

A roadside bomb killed one person and wounded two people in northern Baghdad, police said.

A Hummer vehicle was destroyed when gunmen clashed with Iraqi and U.S. forces in the Sunni neighborhood of Raghiba Khatoon, northeast of Baghdad, an eyewitness said. "Fierce clashes erupted at 10:00 am today between unknown gunmen and a combined force of Iraqi and U.S. troops in Raghiba Khatoon neighborhood in northeast of Baghdad," an eyewitness told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq. He added "the clashes continued for a while and destroyed a Hummer vehicle." The eyewitness could not say whether the destroyed vehicle was Iraqi or American.

Bodies of two young men were found in the area of al-Waziriya, east of the capital Baghdad, on Tuesday morning. "A patrol of al-Aazamiya police found the bodies of two young men, which showed signs of having been shot," a source near al-Aazamiya police station told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq. Local residents said the two bodies were thrown out of a vehicle that then escaped to an unknown place.

Unidentified gunmen killed the Central Baghdad prosecutor, Iraqi police sources said. "Gunmen intercepted the vehicle of investigating judge Omar Abdul-Nabi, while he was heading to work on Tuesday morning, and opened fire at him in the central Baghdad neighborhood of al-Karrada," a security source told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq.

Gunmen killed four worshippers and wounded a fifth person in a drive-by shooting attack on a Sunni Muslim mosque in southern Baghdad on Tuesday, police sources said. The gunmen attacked the worshippers as they left the small Sunni mosque in the mixed Risala neighbourhood in the Iraqi capital. Neither the motive behind the attack nor the identity of the assailants was clear but shootings motivated by sectarianism are common in the area.

Suwayrah: In Suwayrah, 25 miles south of Baghdad, police dragged two bodies out of Tigris River, a morgue official said in Kut. The bodies showed signs of torture.

Dinwaniya: Police found the body of a man, with gunshot wounds and signs of torture, in the southern city of Diwaniya, 180 km (110 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.

Kut: In Kut, gunmen killed an interpreter working for coalition troops. The bodies of two people were retrieved from a small waterway near the city of Kut, police said. The victims had gunshot wounds in different parts of their bodies with signs of torture.

Iskandariya: Gunmen killed the general director of mechanical industries company, in the town of Iskandariya, 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.

Tikrit: "Unknown gunmen showered with bullets a civilian car with three persons from one family aboard when they were heading to their work in Tikrit University, in eastern Tikrit, killing two of them and kidnapping the third," the source said on condition of anonymity.

A roadside bomb detonated near an oil tanker in eastern Tikrit, killing its driver and destroying the tanker as well.

Kirkuk:
Police reported one policeman killed and three wounded when gunmen attacked a police checkpoint in the northern city of Kirkuk.

A roadside bomb killed four firefighters on Monday when it exploded near their vehicle in a town near Kirkuk, police said.

Mosul:
The US military also reported two "anti-Iraqi forces" killed by rockets fired from US helicopters while they were placing a roadside bomb in the northern city of Mosul. Three men were seen laying the bomb "and covering the tracks of the command wire by smoothing the dirt over top of it," a military statement said. "Coalition helicopters in position nearby immediately responded and engaged the emplacers with rocket fire." Two militants were killed and three wounded.

A total of 13 bodies with gunshot wounds were found during the last 48 hours in the northern city of Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.

Ramadi: Iraq's Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki flew to the western city of Ramadi on Tuesday on his first visit to the heartland of the Sunni Arab insurgency fighting his U.S.- backed government.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
I was wondering...

Thor said:
. . . its working.


BAGHDAD, March 14 (KUNA) -- The rate of killings of US troops in Iraq has been on the decline, down by 60 percent, since the launch of the new security measures in Baghdad, according to statistics revealed by the Multi-National Force -Iraq Combined Press Information Centre.

Only 17 members of the US military in Iraq have been killed since February 14 till March 13, compared to 42 from January 13 to February 13; the rate was on the decline during the first month of the security crackdown, compared to a month before.

http://www.kuna.net.kw/Home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=961365

...who would be the first person to spin this little tidbit.

All this does is bring W's shortcomings as CIC screaming back to the fore;

It took nearly 4 years, 25,000 wounded and 3,000 KIA to figure out this is how it's done? Four years of ignoring pro war critics screaming for more force? Four years of laying the ground work for anti-administration and anti US foes?

There's resolve and there's stubborn. Resolve is a man keeps climbing a mountain and gets to the top. Stubborn, a man stops beating his head against the wall and uses the door.

Resolve would be to increase troop levels even more. Right now. And to declare to the Iraqi's we are leaving in 12 months so, get ready.

Makes one ill thinking of where their country would be, right now, had it not taken so long to re-learn the lessons of war.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Of course...

Thor said:
Yeah that is one of my concerns as well. I heard an interview on NPR about a week before we put the troops in, it was with a member of the Madhi army, he was saying their plan was to hide the weapons and and law low until the US left. Seems like that might be what they are doing.


...they are.
 

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
Hunky Dory?


Bring 'em on: On March 11, a MND-B unit in support of an on-going air assault mission southwest of the Iraqi capital was struck by a roadside bomb, killing one Soldier and wounding two others. (CENTCOM)

Bring 'em on: Task Force Lightning Soldiers were attacked while conducting combat operations in Salah ad Din province today. One Task Force Lightning Soldier died as a result of injuries sustained from an explosion. (CENTCOM)

Bring 'em on: A Marine assigned to Multi National Force-West was killed Sunday while conducting combat operations in Al Anbar Province.

(MNF - Iraq)
A Multi-National Division – Baghdad Soldier died March 11, due to a non-battle related cause.

(MNF - Iraq)
(Tikrit?) A Task Force Lightning Soldier died Sunday in a non-combated related incident, which is currently under investigation.

(CENTCOM)
OTHER SECURITY INCIDENTS Baghdad: A roadside bomb blasted an Agriculture Ministry convoy in southeastern Baghdad, killing three security guards and wounding another, officials said. The blast targeting the Ministry employees occurred in the Zayouna area of the city. Agriculture Minister Yarrub Nazim was not in the convoy.

A joint Iraqi-U.S. patrol was targeted by two roadside bombs detonated about 50 yards apart in western Baghdad Monday afternoon, wounding two civilians, police said. It was not clear if any soldiers were injured.

Three employees from the Iraqi labor and social affairs ministry were kidnapped in the western Baghdad area of al-Mansour on Monday, a ministry source said. "Unidentified gunmen kidnapped at noon on Monday three employees from the ministry who were boarding a ministry vehicle near the embassy of the United Arab Emirates (UAE) in Baghdad's Mansour district," the source told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq.

A man was killed and 4 others injured in an IED explosion. The IED was put under a parked car in the leather factory in Karrada Kharij (Karrada out)downtown Baghdad at 12 pm Baghdad Local Time.

One Iraqi army soldier was killed and another was injured when a suicide car bomb stopped in their check point to be searched in Al Yarmouk neighborhood at 4:45 p.m. Iraqi police said a U.S. military convoy shot a man was driving his car in Al Saidiyah neighborhood near the fire dept building in the area around 5 p.m. No further details about the incident. Police found 20 dead bodies throughout Baghdad .

2 bodies were found in the eastern side of Baghdad (Rusafa) near Al Qanat highway. The other 18 corpses were found on the western side of the city (Karkh) in the following neighborhoods: 5 bodies in Yarmouk, 4 bodies in Ghazaliya, 3 bodies in Dora, 2 bodies in Adil, 2 bodies in Al Saidiya, 2 bodies in Al Amil.

Diyala Prv: Armed men entered a village in Diyala province after sunset, seized the residents' weapons and made a request that turned out to be an ultimatum. ``They asked us to join the Islamic State of Iraq,'' Sameer Muhammad, who lives in the village, said Sunday. ``After that, they burned the houses of those who work with the army or police.'' At least 31 houses in the predominantly Shiite neighborhood were doused with gasoline and set ablaze, said residents, who quickly fled the raging fire, leaving behind loved ones and belongings, and walked miles to find shelter. A spokesman for the Sunni insurgent group the Islamic State of Iraq said early Monday that the group had killed 20 men suspected of being members of the Iraqi army or the Mahdi Army, a Shiite militia.
In a separate incident, the source said "unknown gunmen killed two civilians north of Baaquba, while the two were heading to their work", the source asserted.​
A source in Khanaqeen district police directorate said that 3 civilians were injured in an IED explosion happened in Ban Mil village, one of the villages of Khanaqeen district north east Baquba. The source said that the IED was planted to target the Shiite pilgrims who were doing their ceremonies of Arbaieniya visit of Imam Hussein but the parade of the pilgrims changed its way.

Iskandariyah:
On Sunday evening, two mortar shells exploded on a soccer field in Iskandariyah, 30 miles southeast of Baghdad, police said. A 3-year-old boy and a 4-year-old boy were killed; two other children were injured.

Mussayab:
The body of a man, shot dead and bound, was found on Sunday in the town of Mussayab, 60 km (40 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.

Mahaweel:
The body of a man, shot dead and tortured, was found in the town of Mahaweel, 75 km (50 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.

Basrah:
British military bases in the southern Iraqi city of Basra came under rocket and mortar attack, a spokesman for the British Forces in Southern Iraq said on Monday. Shatt Alarab Hotel, home to the British 1st Battalion the Staffordshire Regiment, in Central Basra, was attacked with rockets and mortars last night, the spokesman said, noting that three British military vehicles were destroyed. Unknown gunmen launched a pre-dawn rocket attack on two other British military bases in the city, the spokesman said, noting that there were no casualties reported. A source in Basra police directorate said that a police man was killed and his son was injured when an MNF patrol opened fire on his car last night while the man was driving his car on the high way near Basra international airport.

Salahuddin Prv:
In the Salahuddin province northwest of Baghdad, Iraqi-led forces backed by U.S. warplanes staged raids against suspected insurgent training bases, including sites linked to anti-aircraft batteries, the U.S. military said. At least seven suspected insurgents were reported killed.

Ninawa Prv:
Unidentified gunmen killed the director of the state-owned water supply company in Badoush, northwest Ninawa province. "Unidentified gunmen, driving a modern car, opened fire against the director of the water supply company, Abdullah Mohammad Ahmed, while he was leaving his office in Badoush, killing him on the spot," the source told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq.

Mosul:
A prominent member of the dissolved Baath Party was killed by unidentified gunmen in the city of Mosul, 402 km north of Baghdad, an official source in the Ninawa police operations room said on Monday.

"The headquarters of Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) in Mosul was hit by two mortar shells on Monday, leaving a guard severely wounded," an official source from the PUK in Mosul said.

Al Anbar Prv:
A suicide bomber rammed his vehicle into an Iraqi police checkpoint in the western city of Ramadi, wounding 11 people, including four policemen, police said. >> NEWS
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
There's not...

PsyOps said:
I'm trying to be cautious with any good news. al Qaeda and the insurgents could just be laying low for a while; regrouping. This is the problem with announcing to the world what our strategy is going to be.

...a thing in the world wrong with announcing our strategy;

We are going to depose Saddam. We are going to verify the status of all WMD programs in Iraq. We are going to install a democracy and nurse it to stability. We are going to kill and destroy any and everyone who gets in the way.

W said 'bring it' a long time ago and didn't back it up. It's not that he said it. It's that he didn't back it up.
 
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