Question.....

[poster]

this pertains to "conner's scales" or questionaire's in reference to a child's behaviors in a school setting - I'm sure some of you are familiar with them

...if a teacher teaches a child for 30-40min each day in a small group setting do you believe that the teacher should be able to complete one of these forms?

By the way this has been the schedule for more than a school quarter.

 

[lovinmaryland]

this pertains to "conner's scales" or questionaire's in reference to a child's behaviors in a school setting - I'm sure some of you are familiar with them

...if a teacher teaches a child for 30-40min each day in a small group setting do you believe that the teacher should be able to complete one of these forms?

By the way this has been the schedule for more than a school quarter.

Yes... all teachers should complete the form. One teacher may see a behavior pattern that the other overlooks or may notice different behavior at different times of the day

 

[huntr1]

Yes. Teachers are kind of like outsiders, and can often see things that those around us all the time miss.

 

[nitwhit3286]

Yes. Teachers are kind of like outsiders, and can often see things that those around us all the time miss.

See, sometimes I think that backfires. If a student is having a behavior problem and the teacher addresses it to the parents, and the parents respond negatively, thinking there is no behavior issue..it can get nasty. Some people take offense to that crap.

 

[poster]

Yes... all teachers should complete the form. One teacher may see a behavior pattern that the other overlooks or may notice different behavior at different times of the day

OK - that being said how do I handle a teacher who will not fill one out?

Initially there was a form given to her and she did not answer enough questions for an evaluation to be done - her excuse was that she didn't spend enough time with student to make an observation.

Since then medication has begun and it was requested that ALL teachers fill out another conner's form at the end of Dec. for a comparison evaluation. I asked that the teachers fill out a medical evaluation form after one week of medication so I could speak to the doctor about concerns. This was agreed to at a SST meeting with her superiors. The medical evaluation form is has basicly the same questions and they're to make marks for no change, some improvement and alot of improvement.

Now at this point it's been at least 2 months since the first request. Still this teacher will not complete a form. She only checked 3 questions on the medical evaluation and is still using the same excuse.

What do I do?

 

[sanchezf]

OK - that being said how do I handle a teacher who will not fill one out?

Initially there was a form given to her and she did not answer enough questions for an evaluation to be done - her excuse was that she didn't spend enough time with student to make an observation.

Since then medication has begun and it was requested that ALL teachers fill out another conner's form at the end of Dec. for a comparison evaluation. I asked that the teachers fill out a medical evaluation form after one week of medication so I could speak to the doctor about concerns. This was agreed to at a SST meeting with her superiors. The medical evaluation form is has basicly the same questions and they're to make marks for no change, some improvement and alot of improvement.

Now at this point it's been at least 2 months since the first request. Still this teacher will not complete a form. She only checked 3 questions on the medical evaluation and is still using the same excuse.

What do I do?

Go to the principal..

 

[kwillia]

See, sometimes I think that backfires. If a student is having a behavior problem and the teacher addresses it to the parents, and the parents respond negatively, thinking there is no behavior issue..it can get nasty. Some people take offense to that crap.

That's a terrible attitude for a parent to cop. You don't have to agree with the teacher's assessment and it certainly doesn't mean their conclusions are accurate. However, you should take their observations and evaluate them for yourself. You are doing your child a huge disservice if there really is an issue you aren't addressing.

 

[lovinmaryland]

OK - that being said how do I handle a teacher who will not fill one out?

Initially there was a form given to her and she did not answer enough questions for an evaluation to be done - her excuse was that she didn't spend enough time with student to make an observation.

Since then medication has begun and it was requested that ALL teachers fill out another conner's form at the end of Dec. for a comparison evaluation. I asked that the teachers fill out a medical evaluation form after one week of medication so I could speak to the doctor about concerns. This was agreed to at a SST meeting with her superiors. The medical evaluation form is has basicly the same questions and they're to make marks for no change, some improvement and alot of improvement.

Now at this point it's been at least 2 months since the first request. Still this teacher will not complete a form. She only checked 3 questions on the medical evaluation and is still using the same excuse.

What do I do?

I would just ask her to score to the best of her knowledge for the time your child is with her. If she doesnt complete the whole thing simply tell your pediatrician/dr that she was unwilling to complete the form. That or I may call/email one of the principals and tell them your situation and see if they can persuade her to complete the entire form

Good Luck

 

[poster]

See, sometimes I think that backfires. If a student is having a behavior problem and the teacher addresses it to the parents, and the parents respond negatively, thinking there is no behavior issue..it can get nasty. Some people take offense to that crap.

Actually we believe in "guilty untill proven innocent" - there'd be no offense on our part but in this instance behavior isn't an issue.

This has begun due to lack of focus, day dreaming and not being able to finish tasks in a given time frame. Everything is basicly scholastic issues.

 

[nitwhit3286]

That's a terrible attitude for a parent to cop. You don't have to agree with the teacher's assessment and it certainly doesn't mean their conclusions are accurate. However, you should take their observations and evaluate them for yourself. You are doing your child a huge disservice if there really is an issue you aren't addressing.

It is rather sad, however my mom has a few friends that are teachers, and they get this all the time. "Well Mr. And Mrs. ______ Ryan has been having difficulty staying on task during class. When I try and attempt talking to Ryan he lashes out. I was wondering if there was something you could do at home to adress this problem." The parents response: "Oh Ryan tells us its because you purposely pick him out and alienate him from the rest of his classmates and we don't think that is fair. Thats why he has a hard time concentrating because he feels he is being picked on." I mean, its disturbing but true. Kid says one thing, teacher another.

 

[nitwhit3286]

Actually we believe in "guilty untill proven innocent" - there'd be no offense on our part but in this instance behavior isn't an issue.

This has begun due to lack of focus, day dreaming and not being able to finish tasks in a given time frame. Everything is basicly scholastic issues.

What exactly is the teacher saying the issue is?

 

[nitwhit3286]

OK - that being said how do I handle a teacher who will not fill one out?

Initially there was a form given to her and she did not answer enough questions for an evaluation to be done - her excuse was that she didn't spend enough time with student to make an observation.

Since then medication has begun and it was requested that ALL teachers fill out another conner's form at the end of Dec. for a comparison evaluation. I asked that the teachers fill out a medical evaluation form after one week of medication so I could speak to the doctor about concerns. This was agreed to at a SST meeting with her superiors. The medical evaluation form is has basicly the same questions and they're to make marks for no change, some improvement and alot of improvement.

Now at this point it's been at least 2 months since the first request. Still this teacher will not complete a form. She only checked 3 questions on the medical evaluation and is still using the same excuse.

What do I do?

Why is it all kids are put on self control medication in elementary school? Gosh it was never a problem when I was in school, even though when I was young a few of my teachers thought I had it. Silly. I don't think teachers are doing all they can do to maintain good behavior in the classroom. But there will always been children that want to learn and those that do not. No matter what you do.

 

[poster]

I would just ask her to score to the best of her knowledge for the time your child is with her. If she doesnt complete the whole thing simply tell your pediatrician/dr that she was unwilling to complete the form. That or I may call/email one of the principals and tell them your situation and see if they can persuade her to complete the entire form

Good Luck

I've already explained this to doctor, fortunatly she is not the primary teacher - all the others have been helpfull and we've been able to move forward without her.

I didn't want to cause conflict, or cause an issue between teacher and child however I have a real problem with this. At this point I really am doubting this teachers capabilities and what kind of teaching is my child receiving from this person. My child meets with this woman daily for extra reading help that this same teacher told me she didn't need and then changed her mind when I questioned her as to why.

This is not the sole problem with her - she came to the SST meeting 1/2hr late and left early, it was requested by the team to start a daily communication log with her and she's only done this once in three weeks.
Initially when I asked about my child's issues she immediately went on the defense then started a program with her (granted it was what I wanted) and didn't even call me back and let me know.

I get a don't care, I'm just here to do my job vibe from her that I really can't stand.

 

[vbailey]

I would ask to sit in on the class that your child has with this teacher. I would sit in for a few days if thats what it took. See what is happening first hand. I bet she would start to do the reports for you if you asked after sitting in class with her for a few days.

 

[nitwhit3286]

I would ask to sit in on the class that your child has with this teacher. I would sit in for a few days if thats what it took. See what is happening first hand. I bet she would start to do the reports for you if you asked after sitting in class with her for a few days.

Great idea. Totally agree.

 

[poster]

It is rather sad, however my mom has a few friends that are teachers, and they get this all the time. "Well Mr. And Mrs. ______ Ryan has been having difficulty staying on task during class. When I try and attempt talking to Ryan he lashes out. I was wondering if there was something you could do at home to adress this problem." The parents response: "Oh Ryan tells us its because you purposely pick him out and alienate him from the rest of his classmates and we don't think that is fair. Thats why he has a hard time concentrating because he feels he is being picked on." I mean, its disturbing but true. Kid says one thing, teacher another.

Do you have elem. age kids?

Not that some wouldn't have this view point but clearly I'm not having this issue, as I said - NOT A BEHAVIOR PROBLEM. There is no lashing out.

As I said this has begun due to lack of focus, day dreaming and not being able to finish tasks in a given time frame. Everything is basicly scholastic issues.

Now this statement, "But there will always been children that want to learn and those that do not.", that is just silly - ALL children want to learn and please others, it's up to parents and teachers to encourage that want-it's natural. Now possibly that need to learn may fade but at 8yrs of age the majority of children only want to please.

Our child is always talking about her grades and how well she does or doesn't do - to be quite honest I have to remind her not to be so hard on herself, that all people learn at a different level. For some it's easy and others it's hard. This too is part of the problem - she wants to focus and get things done timely she just can't.

 

[poster]

I would ask to sit in on the class that your child has with this teacher. I would sit in for a few days if thats what it took. See what is happening first hand. I bet she would start to do the reports for you if you asked after sitting in class with her for a few days.

I have thought of doing this, I just wasn't sure how it would be received.
Have you or others you know done this before?

 

[vbailey]

I have thought of doing this, I just wasn't sure how it would be received.
Have you or others you know done this before?

I have not done it before but when my kids have told me a teacher was picking on them I said " Ok, Iam sitting in the class with you tomorrow because I want to see what this teacher is doing to you" My kids then beg me not too and suddenly the problem is not near as big. I think it could work both ways, if the teacher is really bulling the child I believe it would stop the teacher as well from being a problem. You may never even have to really sit in on the class. Just the idea may solve the problem on both child and teacher's end.

 

[vbailey]

You do have to be very careful with what you do as not to make it bigger or embarass the child. But you should not let it go for too long, the problem could be very real and the effects on the child could be harmful for a long time if not taken care of properly.
Good Luck what ever you do!

 

[poster]

You do have to be very careful with what you do as not to make it bigger or embarass the child. But you should not let it go for too long, the problem could be very real and the effects on the child could be harmful for a long time if not taken care of properly.
Good Luck what ever you do!

OK - I dropped off the forms I need completed to the school last week. I gave them to the administrator that headed the SST meeting and made sure I told them I was expecting all the teachers to fill one out complete and made known I was upset. The administrator said that the importance of a complete form would be addressed when given to the teacher. I'm supposed to get them back today.

We'll see?!?