Random Thoughts

[migtig]

Are the Democrats now basically ALL Yellow Dog Democrats?

What has happened to the Blue Dog Democrats?

There are a few Dixiecrats left, and that looks as if the only remaining straws of sanity left in the Democratic party.

Also, what makes the Democrats think that rioting, breaking windows, destruction of property, threatening to kidnap Republican delegates, makes them look good?

All of this lately, is reminding me of my history classes...a great speaker who had sold his memoirs, encouraged thugs in the streets intimidating others while "advocating peace", and he took over the government and he took away the citizens guns, and the next thing you knew...

Which also brings up...those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.

 

[Larry Gude]

Here's...

...how this works; redistricting, nothing new in the republic, has reached such a state of the art the last 30 years that there are simply very few competitive districts in the US anymore. A blue dog would want to balance the desires of the more liberal folks in his district against the slight majority who were more conservative. Now, that district is pretty much left OR right and that's that.

 

[vraiblonde]

Which also brings up...those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.

Human nature doesn't change - that's why history keeps repeating itself.

Not to bust on religious people, but political affiliation is really the same thing. You believe in something, even if you don't have any proof that it exists. And when someone points out evidence contrary to what you believe, you refuse to examine it or give it any credence because you don't want to threaten your belief system. Democrats/Republicans have faith in their party, just like Christians have faith in God.

You've seen on here where someone will spout a totally nonsensical POV, be shown factual evidence that they are wrong, yet still hang onto their original belief. They WANT to believe.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ok...

Human nature doesn't change - that's why history keeps repeating itself.

Not to bust on religious people, but political affiliation is really the same thing. You believe in something, even if you don't have any proof that it exists. And when someone points out evidence contrary to what you believe, you refuse to examine it or give it any credence because you don't want to threaten your belief system. Democrats/Republicans have faith in their party, just like Christians have faith in God.

You've seen on here where someone will spout a totally nonsensical POV, be shown factual evidence that they are wrong, yet still hang onto their original belief. They WANT to believe.

...I think that's dead on, but, MIG is asking what changed? Something DID change. There used to be Blue dogs, lots of them. Where are the Democrats saying there is no way Obama is ready for this compared to McCain?

Where are the blue dogs?

 

[ylexot]

Where are the blue dogs?

Maybe they became PUMAs...

 

[migtig]

...I think that's dead on, but, MIG is asking what changed? Something DID change. There used to be Blue dogs, lots of them. Where are the Democrats saying there is no way Obama is ready for this compared to McCain?

Where are the blue dogs?

They can't have all just disappeared.


And fear and intimidation tactics on behalf of a charismatic politician with no leadership experience who remained above the fray with a love affair of the media and "movie people" and had ties to his country's criminals brings up a twinge of "hey didn't this already happen?"

 

[Xaquin44]

What's a Blue Dog?

I mean besides the cool SoMD ghost story.

 

[migtig]

What's a Blue Dog?

I mean besides the cool SoMD ghost story.

Blue Dog Coalition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yellow Dogs are the ones who will vote a straight Dem ticket no matter what, even if the party had a "yellow dog" running for office.

Blue Dogs are an offshoot who said, the heck with that, we need the right person, and sometimes the right person is a Republican or an Independent, or a different Dem rather than the yellow dog.

 

[Xaquin44]

Blue Dog Coalition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yellow Dogs are the ones who will vote a straight Dem ticket no matter what, even if the party had a "yellow dog" running for office.

Blue Dogs are an offshoot who said, the heck with that, we need the right person, and sometimes the right person is a Republican or an Independent, or a different Dem rather than the yellow dog.

ahh thank you =)

 

[vraiblonde]

They can't have all just disappeared.

They're still there - look at Joe Lieberman and a host of other Democrats coming out for John McCain.

The problem is the media. If you watch MSNBC or the Big Three networks exclusively, you have no idea these people exist because it doesn't fit the liberal agenda to highlight them. Fox interviews crossovers all the time.

As for the protesters and convention disrupters, those people are more anarchists than Democrats. You don't see Awpitt out there ranting and getting tossed in jail for busting out windows - and he's a faithful Democrat. But he's boring - rioters and nutties make better news.

:shrug:

 

[Dymphna]

What has happened to the Blue Dog Democrats?

I am a registered Democrat. Have been since I was 18. Like all 18 year olds, I was fairly liberal minded back then, but regardless, it seemed to make more sense to register Democrat in an overwhelmingly democratic state like Maryland. Even then, I looked at each candidate individually and made my decision candidate by candidate.

I am much more conservative in my thinking these days. I vote for Republicans more often than not, but I still live in an overwhelmingly Democratic state, where the occasional race is decided in the primary because the Republican party can't get anyone to run.

 

[Larry Gude]

*lol*

Maybe they became PUMAs...

I love that one!!

The Hillary faction is sitting on their hands offering up the odd "Oh, that not so good John McCain and that silly girl..." waving their team colors semi enthusiastically and letting the media and the moonbats take Barack down one ugly segment at a time.

I'm telling y'ah. There ain't no way Obama is gonna win and it ain't gonna have one thing to do with GOP'ers. It's gonna be all on the Dems.

 

[migtig]

They're still there - look at Joe Lieberman and a host of other Democrats coming out for John McCain.

The problem is the media. If you watch MSNBC or the Big Three networks exclusively, you have no idea these people exist because it doesn't fit the liberal agenda to highlight them. Fox interviews crossovers all the time.

As for the protesters and convention disrupters, those people are more anarchists than Democrats. You don't see Awpitt out there ranting and getting tossed in jail for busting out windows - and he's a faithful Democrat. But he's boring - rioters and nutties make better news.

:shrug:

True enough, the nutties make better news. However, let's take Joe Lieberman (isn't he an independent nowadays?)...Isn't the Dem party threatening to remove him from the committees he sits on and threatening him with other things in order to make an example of him for speaking out on behalf of McCain? Aren't those type of tactics meant to scare everyone else into submission?

 

[migtig]

I am a registered Democrat. Have been since I was 18. Like all 18 year olds, I was fairly liberal minded back then, but regardless, it seemed to make more sense to register Democrat in an overwhelmingly democratic state like Maryland. Even then, I looked at each candidate individually and made my decision candidate by candidate.

I am much more conservative in my thinking these days. I vote for Republicans more often than not, but I still live in an overwhelmingly Democratic state, where the occasional race is decided in the primary because the Republican party can't get anyone to run.

Heck everybody I grew up with was a Dem, but they were all Dixiecrats or Blue Dogs, with the exception of the "ancient Southerners" who have since passed on. That's why I am so surprised, disappointed maybe, in seeing so many Yellow Dogs. I thought that kind of thinking had died.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ok...

Aren't those type of tactics meant to scare everyone else into submission?

...but that's nothing new under the sun either. Our 3 branch system was set up by people who knew first hand what it was like when one side (or person) got their way, all the time, with everything.

Parties, factions, are simply a fact of life in ANY governmental system. It is the ultimate in idealism to expect each person to act solely on their own views and beliefs irrespective of those who helped them get somewhere. A two party system is probably the best of not so good choices absent a monarchy or dictatorship.

In any event, the parties are helpless in front of free people who actually choose to vote for who they think would do the best job instead of one choice out of two.

 

[annoyance]

True enough, the nutties make better news. However, let's take Joe Lieberman (isn't he an independent nowadays?)...Isn't the Dem party threatening to remove him from the committees he sits on and threatening him with other things in order to make an example of him for speaking out on behalf of McCain? Aren't those type of tactics meant to scare everyone else into submission?

I'm sure the the right did nothing of the sort to Jim Jeffords.

 

[Gwydion]

I'm a blue dog and voting for obama.
:shrug:

 

[migtig]

I'm a blue dog and voting for obama.
:shrug:

Then you aren't a Blue Dog. They don't believe in additional taxes, which Obama is pushing, and as a Blue Dog, you would be completely against that.

I don't doubt that you are a Democrat, I just don't think you understand the terminology.

 

[vraiblonde]

I'm sure the the right did nothing of the sort to Jim Jeffords.

Funny you should mention him.

Jeffords was enticed to leave the Republican party, giving the Democrats the Senate majority, with promises of committee seats, favorable publicity opportunities, etc, etc.

Once he switched sides, you never heard from him again and all he got out of the deal was the Chair of Environment and Public Works.



The Republicans didn't have to do a damn thing to him - the Democrats used him, then threw him away.

 

[annoyance]

Funny you should mention him.

Jeffords was enticed to leave the Republican party, giving the Democrats the Senate majority, with promises of committee seats, favorable publicity opportunities, etc, etc.

Once he switched sides, you never heard from him again and all he got out of the deal was the Chair of Environment and Public Works.



The Republicans didn't have to do a damn thing to him - the Democrats used him, then threw him away.

iirc, the right was going to rescind his chair for not supporting W's budget prior to his switch. I think he pulled off the bigger 'eff you'.