Rapists in the ranks

nhboy

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"The stories are shocking in their simplicity and brutality: A female military recruit is pinned down at knifepoint and raped repeatedly in her own barracks. Her attackers hid their faces but she identified them by their uniforms; they were her fellow soldiers. During a routine gynecological exam, a female soldier is attacked and raped by her military physician. Yet another young soldier, still adapting to life in a war zone, is raped by her commanding officer. Afraid for her standing in her unit, she feels she has nowhere to turn.

These are true stories, and, sadly, not isolated incidents. Women serving in the U.S. military are more likely to be raped by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire in Iraq.

The scope of the problem was brought into acute focus for me during a visit to the West Los Angeles VA Healthcare Center, where I met with female veterans and their doctors. My jaw dropped when the doctors told me that 41% of female veterans seen at the clinic say they were victims of sexual assault while in the military, and 29% report being raped during their military service. They spoke of their continued terror, feelings of helplessness and the downward spirals many of their lives have since taken.

Numbers reported by the Department of Defense show a sickening pattern. In 2006, 2,947 sexual assaults were reported -- 73% more than in 2004. The DOD's newest report, released this month, indicates that 2,688 reports were made in 2007, but a recent shift from calendar-year reporting to fiscal-year reporting makes comparisons with data from previous years much more difficult."

Rapists in the ranks - Los Angeles Times
 

vraiblonde

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I have known many military women, and not one of them has ever even suggested that they were ever attacked or raped. The most I ever heard was that the guys make rude comments and jokes, similar to guys in all work environments.

So fess up, ladies - any of you military babes ever been raped by another member of the military?

Because I think those numbers are severely overblown, and will think so until I get confirmation that this is a problem.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
I have known many military women, and not one of them has ever even suggested that they were ever attacked or raped. The most I ever heard was that the guys make rude comments and jokes, similar to guys in all work environments.

So fess up, ladies - any of you military babes ever been raped by another member of the military?

Because I think those numbers are severely overblown, and will think so until I get confirmation that this is a problem.

I only know of ONE in my 20 years that was sexually harassed.. not assaulted, not raped, harassed.
 

vraiblonde

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I only know of ONE in my 20 years that was sexually harassed.. not assaulted, not raped, harassed.

I knew one gal that *said* she was raped, then it turned out she was actually cheating on her husband.
 

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

Well-Known Member
I have known many military women, and not one of them has ever even suggested that they were ever attacked or raped. The most I ever heard was that the guys make rude comments and jokes, similar to guys in all work environments.

So fess up, ladies - any of you military babes ever been raped by another member of the military?

Because I think those numbers are severely overblown, and will think so until I get confirmation that this is a problem.

O jeez...here we go again. Vrai and her "if I didn't experience it, it must not be true" theories. I like how you feel these numbers are overblown, because you don't know of any incidents of it occuring, yet on that 1/4 teens has an STD study that WAS bs, you have quoted those stats in multiple arguements.


You just amuse me, that is all :yay:

On this topic, I'm with you, these numbers seem way to high...but you figure that there aren't THAT many women in the military...doesn't take too many being raped to fluff those numbers up right quick. Just a thought.
 

godsbutterfly

Free to Fly
If those stats are anywhere close to being accurate that is horrible and it's hard for me to see how it would have been kept quiet for so long. I hope it is exaggerated. It needs to be investigated either way and something, although I can't answer what, needs to be done about it.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
If those stats are anywhere close to being accurate that is horrible and it's hard for me to see how it would have been kept quiet for so long. I hope it is exaggerated. It needs to be investigated either way and something, although I can't answer what, needs to be done about it.

The article states REPORTED rapes/ assaults, doesn't say anything about PROVEN rapes.

Female soldier goes out, gets 'lucky' wakes up the next morning and thinks.. Wait!! maybe I can go back home if I cry WOLF!!

Or gets caught fraternizing, and claims it wasn't concensual at all.

Or you say "Good Job" and pat a woman on the ass.. ASSAULT!!

you'll be amazed how low people will go if they think it can get them out of bad situation.

I WOULD believe SOME of these to be true, I'm just not buying even 1/2 of them are.

Of course the press will find the ONE that is true to prove that all are true.
 

Sonsie

The mighty Al-Sonsie!
I have known many military women, and not one of them has ever even suggested that they were ever attacked or raped. The most I ever heard was that the guys make rude comments and jokes, similar to guys in all work environments.

So fess up, ladies - any of you military babes ever been raped by another member of the military?

Because I think those numbers are severely overblown, and will think so until I get confirmation that this is a problem.

I just retired after 20 years in, never once did I know a female that was actually raped. Hell, the few incidents that did happen on installation were more of the "I was too drunk to consent or don't remember consenting" variety. I have however seen some harassment but it was quickly rooted out and the harasser given the boot.

I wasn’t some wallflower either. I drank, hung out with, and deployed with the boys. Not just the Air Force either, my career field was such that I was usually working close with other branches especially during deployments. This article is playing pretty damn fast and loose with the facts to support their “evil military” stance.
 

vraiblonde

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You just amuse me, that is all

Glad I can do that. Since you're so smart and know everything there is to know at your ripe old age of 19, why don't you tell me some more about how to run my business? Since, you know, you have so much more worldly experience than I do and all.

:smile:
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
This article is playing pretty damn fast and loose with the facts to support their “evil military” stance.


I agree. I've been in/around the navy for over half of my life. I heard rumor of one 'incident', and I'm not even sure what that 'incident' was. Rape, or too much to drink.
 

Pete

Repete
In 21 years and 7 duty stations I never heard of a rape allegation. In all those years I did hear of a sexual harassment allegation and it ended up being someone who was bent about a fitrep score. It was investigated by the book and dismissed. The complainant was moved to a new command anyway.

One command I was at I was a brig runner and I never transported a prisoner accused of rape.
 

DangerousCurves

New Member
I have known many military women, and not one of them has ever even suggested that they were ever attacked or raped. The most I ever heard was that the guys make rude comments and jokes, similar to guys in all work environments.

So fess up, ladies - any of you military babes ever been raped by another member of the military?

Because I think those numbers are severely overblown, and will think so until I get confirmation that this is a problem.

I spent 20 yrs in the Navy and never had a problem. However, being in a war zone could possibly be a different story altogether. I cannot imagine the type of stress that these men and women are living through each day. After awhile, I'm sure it alters the mind to some degree. The woman accusing could be lying to get out of the war zone, and the man being accused could be guilty as hell (or vice versa). I do believe that the number of rapes and harrassments mentioned are quite possible though. If there are women making up this claim, then there are probably just as many women not reporting them out of fear of retaliation.
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
In 21 years and 7 duty stations I never heard of a rape allegation. In all those years I did hear of a sexual harassment allegation and it ended up being someone who was bent about a fitrep score. It was investigated by the book and dismissed. The complainant was moved to a new command anyway.

One command I was at I was a brig runner and I never transported a prisoner accused of rape.


Sexual harassment is a joke. You can't even tell a colorful joke. That the kind of stuff that most sexual harassment charges are made of.
 

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

Well-Known Member
Glad I can do that. Since you're so smart and know everything there is to know at your ripe old age of 19, why don't you tell me some more about how to run my business? Since, you know, you have so much more worldly experience than I do and all.

:smile:

I told you nothing about how to run your business. I think you do a fine job :yay:

I simply do not agree with the way you come about with some of your opinions is all :shrug: Has nothing to do with your business.
 

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

Well-Known Member
Geez, Alzheimer's at your age. :frown:

:roflmao:
Ok, maybe I should have put it this way (since you are apparently staring down at me from on top of your high horse...might I ask, how is the weather up there?)...in THIS instance, I was not referencing your business at all, but simply your personality :yay: Take it for what it is :shrug:

Does that clear the air? btw, I like the granny AV more :yay:
 

jenbengen

Watch it
nhboy;2835493 These are true stories said:
This one line lost my interest- according to statistics, about 62 women have died from enemy "hostile fire". About 168,000 troops are deployed. Considering most stats say 1 out of every 6 American women have been the victims of an attempted or completed rape. I'm saying the military is not even close to above the norm and yes, I think those stats are high.
 

Sonsie

The mighty Al-Sonsie!
Sexual harassment is a joke. You can't even tell a colorful joke. That the kind of stuff that most sexual harassment charges are made of.

Agreed. We did have a guy in our unit though who was a harasser. He was real smart about who he did it to as well. He left the military females alone because they would have raised hell and went after our Japanese local nationals. The ladies from that culture were too embarrassed and shy to raise a stink. When one had finally had enough and told the commander it turned out during the investigation he had been targeting all the younger Japanese ladies with inappropriate touching such. What a scum bag, he got the boot pretty damn fast.
 

vraiblonde

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What a scum bag, he got the boot pretty damn fast.

That was always my impression as well - that you're safer with your male military co-workers than you are with your civilian ones.

Leftist ignorami who have never been associated with the military in any way, and don't even know any military personnel, always get these strange ideas that enlisted men are these social reject savages who can't speak in complete sentences. So they make up these crazy stories about rape, murder, mutilation and puppy killing because that's what they think these guys do.

Yet these are also the people who have candlelight vigils for Tookie, Mumia and other REAL violent criminals.

Go figure.
 
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