Redskins hire Cincinnati OC Jay Gruden as next HC
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Retrodeb54
Surely you jest ...
Or in the same 3 years be known as the coach that brought the Skins back. I said at the beginning whoever landed that coaching position has the opportunity of a lifetime to gain fame. Nowhere to go but up. :shrug:
Although for probably only a short time, bringing them back would make him a shining star.
Oh yeah... and richer for sure.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
From comments; 2 people said "Take Dalton with you"
Football fans are so unrealistic. Andy Dalton, as much as anyone, is why the Bengals made the playoffs in the first place. So, he had a bad game. Also, as much as anyone, the Chargers have been firing on all cylinders heading into the playoffs. :shrug:
In any event, I have to say I like the hire; head coach as next step for a successful, up and coming coordinator.
That makes the most sense to me. Only one head coach who made the Superbowl ever reached it again, and won, somewhere else; Vermeil. So, the Gibbs II, Shannahan, John Gruden, Cower, route doesn't stack up well against the odds. Only Jimmy Johnson went from college directly to his first NFL head coach job and won. Coughlin took awhile, learning the craft with Jax before winning with the Giants. John Harbaugh is the only guy who skipped the coordinator level on the way up, and won, though his brother came damn close to repeating Johnson's success.
In any event, the coordinator job lends itself to continuing up the ladder of success. They know how teams are run, are experienced at having a lot of responsibility and, ideally, especially the younger ones, are eager and hungry to win it all. So, especially compared to all the rest of his choices, this seems like a good one by Snyder.
So, I'm on board.
Football fans are so unrealistic. Andy Dalton, as much as anyone, is why the Bengals made the playoffs in the first place. So, he had a bad game. Also, as much as anyone, the Chargers have been firing on all cylinders heading into the playoffs. :shrug:
In any event, I have to say I like the hire; head coach as next step for a successful, up and coming coordinator.
That makes the most sense to me. Only one head coach who made the Superbowl ever reached it again, and won, somewhere else; Vermeil. So, the Gibbs II, Shannahan, John Gruden, Cower, route doesn't stack up well against the odds. Only Jimmy Johnson went from college directly to his first NFL head coach job and won. Coughlin took awhile, learning the craft with Jax before winning with the Giants. John Harbaugh is the only guy who skipped the coordinator level on the way up, and won, though his brother came damn close to repeating Johnson's success.
In any event, the coordinator job lends itself to continuing up the ladder of success. They know how teams are run, are experienced at having a lot of responsibility and, ideally, especially the younger ones, are eager and hungry to win it all. So, especially compared to all the rest of his choices, this seems like a good one by Snyder.
So, I'm on board.
thurley42
HY;FR
From comments; 2 people said "Take Dalton with you"
Football fans are so unrealistic. Andy Dalton, as much as anyone, is why the Bengals made the playoffs in the first place. So, he had a bad game. Also, as much as anyone, the Chargers have been firing on all cylinders heading into the playoffs. :shrug:
In any event, I have to say I like the hire; head coach as next step for a successful, up and coming coordinator.
That makes the most sense to me. Only one head coach who made the Superbowl ever reached it again, and won, somewhere else; Vermeil. So, the Gibbs II, Shannahan, John Gruden, Cower, route doesn't stack up well against the odds. Only Jimmy Johnson went from college directly to his first NFL head coach job and won. Coughlin took awhile, learning the craft with Jax before winning with the Giants. John Harbaugh is the only guy who skipped the coordinator level on the way up, and won, though his brother came damn close to repeating Johnson's success.
In any event, the coordinator job lends itself to continuing up the ladder of success. They know how teams are run, are experienced at having a lot of responsibility and, ideally, especially the younger ones, are eager and hungry to win it all. So, especially compared to all the rest of his choices, this seems like a good one by Snyder.
So, I'm on board.
no way...That team won in spite of Dalton....
slotpuppy
Ass-hole
Or in the same 3 years be known as the coach that brought the Skins back. I said at the beginning whoever landed that coaching position has the opportunity of a lifetime to gain fame. Nowhere to go but up. :shrug:
Although for probably only a short time, bringing them back would make him a shining star.
Oh yeah... and richer for sure.
Until Snyder keeps his nose out of the team and lets the coaches run the show, the skins will never amount to much.
Grumpy
Well-Known Member
With this year's last place finish, their schedule will be easier next year (re: see KC) and it wouldn't surprise me if they made the playoffs; and everyone will be heralding this choice. We'll see 3 yrs down the road whether this is a good hire or not. Of the guys available, I do like this move.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I dunno. I mean, yeah, there is the facts and history to back that up but, Gruden has a good relationship with Allen.
He doesn't have the gravitas of having been THE guy so, he's in the perfect position as an up and comer to accept being subordinate to Snyder and his whims without the ego clashes.
Snyder can likewise feel confident in his role as boss.
Allen has VERY MUCH stayed out of the fray the last two years so, he doesn't have that 'Snyders Buddy Vinny' cloud hanging over him so, he can just be the GM who works for the boss.
Gruden is a pocket guy and did well with the just as young Dalton and, it seems, Robert wants to be a pocket guy so, if RGIII is gonna become a top QB, this is as good as it's gonna get in terms of head coach/QB relationship.
Cinncy runs the ball pretty good, spreads the wealth in the passing game, doesn't give up a lot of sacks.
I mean, there is a WORLD of work to do; build a solid O line, find some help for Garcon. See if Morris can learn to catch the ball out of the backfield.
And the defense may as well be seen as rebuilding. Does Haslett stay and get to build a 4-3 team, his preferred format? That was one of the many things that just didn't make sense with Shanahan; hire a top guy like Haslett to run that shop and, first thing, tell him, a 4-3 guy, he HAS to run a 3-4 and, worse, we did not then nor now have enough LB's to run a 3-4. With Fletcher gone, we'll have enough trouble as it is finding 3 starters next year let alone 4.
So, off with D Hall, Moss and Orakpo. Find some O and D line guys, first and foremost. Find a young AJ Green. Hope Reed continues up.
And, most of all, hope Robert gets it going.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Again, and this is just hope; Before, it was constant friction between established guys who didn't want some punk rich kid who didn't know dick about football messing in their shop. Now, with Jay, he isn't THE Man coming in to have a pissing contest. Now, Snyder IS the boss and he just works for him. No more pissing contest. And, again, Allen is the GM, not the racket ball and cigar buddy. Boss, Allen, young head coach.
If, and I said if, it's ever gonna work, this is how it needs to be. I have long been in favor of the up and coming coordinator route and wondered why Snyder never even tried it. So, now, at least on those grounds, this makes sense and I like it.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
With this year's last place finish, their schedule will be easier next year (re: see KC) and it wouldn't surprise me if they made the playoffs; and everyone will be heralding this choice. We'll see 3 yrs down the road whether this is a good hire or not. Of the guys available, I do like this move.
I'll be heralding the choice regardless of next years record because, structurally, this is the way it ought to be for any team and especially a team with an owner who wants to be so involved; Boss over GM (not cigar buddy) over young up and coming coordinator.
The only weakness I see is that it probably would be better to not have a personal relationship between coach and GM; I'd prefer a GM and coach to have some creative friction and tension.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Well, I'll defer because I won't claim any real knowledge of them other than a few games. He did, statistically, have some big games and big wins and, the few times I saw them, he seemed to make decisions quickly which is mostly good. Unless you notice the guy in the other uniform...after you've let it go.
thurley42
HY;FR
Well, I'll defer because I won't claim any real knowledge of them other than a few games. He did, statistically, have some big games and big wins and, the few times I saw them, he seemed to make decisions quickly which is mostly good. Unless you notice the guy in the other uniform...after you've let it go.
as the lone Browns fan in a family of Bengal fans, I feel i'm knowledgeable by proxy...lol he has been dreadful in the playoffs and hasn't really excelled like they had hoped...they have an amazing defense and a plethora of weapons on the offense....he just isn't firing like the rest of the team.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
So, am I getting too excited about Gruden/RGIII? Jay didn't help Dalton much or Jay got the most out of the guy with a great system?
thurley42
HY;FR
who knows? it never works out the way you think it should so that might be a good sign for you all.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Well, I feel like I liked how there offense worked in general whenever I watched them. A nice mix of power run, screens, down field shots galore and attacking the middle with the TE's. It seems to me, Cinncy was doing well other than the picks against the Chargers.
Hank
my war
Well, I feel like I liked how there offense worked in general whenever I watched them. A nice mix of power run, screens, down field shots galore and attacking the middle with the TE's. It seems to me, Cinncy was doing well other than the picks against the Chargers.
Too bad RG has no accuracy in his passes...
slotpuppy
Ass-hole
Larry Gude
Strung Out
He's struggling with his mechanics, especially his footwork, right now, for sure. He seemed a heck of a lot more accurate last year before the knew got blowed up again.
thurley42
HY;FR
My .02. Although I'm not a fan, I have been to almost every home game the past 2 seasons including preseason and playoffs. (GF season tix) so I think I kinda (maybe) know what I'm talking about. (Not really)
RG3 had one great season at Baylor. A mediocre schedule and a couple of good games and boom wins himself a Heisman and is the flavor of the month. Danny sees $$$$ and forces old Shanny to take him.
Lucky for him even though they have a horrible start to the season the East is even worse. They find a spread offense that is centered around short high percentage passes and the threat of RG3 running. RG3 leads the league in % and despite getting hurt. Cousins gets my Browns, they win against the horrible East and squeak into the playoffs on the last game. Then promptly get punted by Seattle. RG3 is hurt, everyone is sad but optimistic.
Fast forward to this season. He gets 0 reps in the preseason and then comes into the offense as a pocket passer running mostly 5-7 step drop plays. The Oline isn't good enough to provide consistent time, and for whatever reason, he doesn't run as much.
In the games they should have never won, Chargers, Bears, they ran the quick offense, got the guys open in the moderate depth and were successful. For whatever reason they got awAy from it even with the success.
The summary: I don't think Griffin is all that, and don't feel confident he's got what it takes to be a traditional pocket passer. He is smart, so who knows, but I don't feel confident it will happen. The threat to rub has to be there to keep the LB's and DE's at home. The passes have to be quick with the line they have.
This long winded rant has been brought to you by someone staring at the strip in Vegas waiting on his flight to LA, and trying to fight the urge to get in a cab and go screw off for an hour. Lol
RG3 had one great season at Baylor. A mediocre schedule and a couple of good games and boom wins himself a Heisman and is the flavor of the month. Danny sees $$$$ and forces old Shanny to take him.
Lucky for him even though they have a horrible start to the season the East is even worse. They find a spread offense that is centered around short high percentage passes and the threat of RG3 running. RG3 leads the league in % and despite getting hurt. Cousins gets my Browns, they win against the horrible East and squeak into the playoffs on the last game. Then promptly get punted by Seattle. RG3 is hurt, everyone is sad but optimistic.
Fast forward to this season. He gets 0 reps in the preseason and then comes into the offense as a pocket passer running mostly 5-7 step drop plays. The Oline isn't good enough to provide consistent time, and for whatever reason, he doesn't run as much.
In the games they should have never won, Chargers, Bears, they ran the quick offense, got the guys open in the moderate depth and were successful. For whatever reason they got awAy from it even with the success.
The summary: I don't think Griffin is all that, and don't feel confident he's got what it takes to be a traditional pocket passer. He is smart, so who knows, but I don't feel confident it will happen. The threat to rub has to be there to keep the LB's and DE's at home. The passes have to be quick with the line they have.
This long winded rant has been brought to you by someone staring at the strip in Vegas waiting on his flight to LA, and trying to fight the urge to get in a cab and go screw off for an hour. Lol