Larry Gude said:
Sounds like something I'd do.
republican student with a democrat professor
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Sounds like something I'd do.
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vraiblonde said:
boy... that was right at your fingertips...
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I'm outta here!!! 
Goodnight! 
Goodnight! 
Hessian
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The answer is in the asking!
I like it when a kid can articulate/defend a point of view that may counter mine...it proves spunk...unfortunately in my current classes, they are missing two things: They don't know how to form an intelligent opinion and then they can't articulate it.
Ask your prof about his/her college background...where they went to school, favorite classes, did they have any teachers that really inspired them...how about some that differed politically....how did they do in THOSE classes? Did the Prof treat them fairly?
You see, it puts the prof in a no win situation (which is where the fun begins)
A) "I went to a school that was strongly liberal and that's where I got a sound education." ...."Oh?...do you consider that balanced???????"
B) "I went to a school where most of the Profs were liberal but the few old crusty Conservatives were too narrow and I never got good grades from them."..."Oh?...so you feel it is important to mimic their unfairness now?"
C) "I went to a school that had a wide mix of Liberals and Conservatives"
..."Oh, so you think that was a healthy learning environment?....why don't you practice the same environment here?"
end of scenario:
I did go to a conservative college but my one History Prof leaned to the Left: he never covered wars in any of his lectures...it was outright funny. I rarely ever got more than a B from him and you know what? I don't really care. He may have tried to stretch our points of view and the most he did was raise awareness....that the Liberal era was dying.
My advice? Sometimes brash frankness may win points....unfortunately too many of the snobby liberals are unwilling to recognize other points of view or even raw courage to stand up to them--for that they should be reminded of their intolerant, hypocritical and closed-minded behavior. And if they respond that you are just plain wrong...ask them if they believe in ultimate truth...again: you have them in a corner because the icons of liberalism deny absolute right and wrong
enjoy.
I like it when a kid can articulate/defend a point of view that may counter mine...it proves spunk...unfortunately in my current classes, they are missing two things: They don't know how to form an intelligent opinion and then they can't articulate it.
Ask your prof about his/her college background...where they went to school, favorite classes, did they have any teachers that really inspired them...how about some that differed politically....how did they do in THOSE classes? Did the Prof treat them fairly?
You see, it puts the prof in a no win situation (which is where the fun begins)
A) "I went to a school that was strongly liberal and that's where I got a sound education." ...."Oh?...do you consider that balanced???????"
B) "I went to a school where most of the Profs were liberal but the few old crusty Conservatives were too narrow and I never got good grades from them."..."Oh?...so you feel it is important to mimic their unfairness now?"
C) "I went to a school that had a wide mix of Liberals and Conservatives"
..."Oh, so you think that was a healthy learning environment?....why don't you practice the same environment here?"
end of scenario:
I did go to a conservative college but my one History Prof leaned to the Left: he never covered wars in any of his lectures...it was outright funny. I rarely ever got more than a B from him and you know what? I don't really care. He may have tried to stretch our points of view and the most he did was raise awareness....that the Liberal era was dying.
My advice? Sometimes brash frankness may win points....unfortunately too many of the snobby liberals are unwilling to recognize other points of view or even raw courage to stand up to them--for that they should be reminded of their intolerant, hypocritical and closed-minded behavior. And if they respond that you are just plain wrong...ask them if they believe in ultimate truth...again: you have them in a corner because the icons of liberalism deny absolute right and wrong
enjoy.
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janey83
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Hmmm....well he knows I'm a Bush supporter because I always give my 2 cents about Bush everytime the class discussion turns towards Politics...
Today in a different class, this same professor was asking for examples about being in a situation where someone's point of view was different from everyone else's. I offered an example from my Intro to American Politics class where I was a Republican against a Democrat professor and mostly Democrat students. My teacher looked at me for a second, blinked and then nodded and went to the next person.
Today in a different class, this same professor was asking for examples about being in a situation where someone's point of view was different from everyone else's. I offered an example from my Intro to American Politics class where I was a Republican against a Democrat professor and mostly Democrat students. My teacher looked at me for a second, blinked and then nodded and went to the next person.
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It sounds like he knows (but probably won't admit) that you made your point, and he probably feels guilty about that sort of grading behavior but in all likelihood won't change it.janey83 said:
I think you have a whole life ahead of you in which to stand up for what you believe. I also think that your success in college is very important.
The altruistic approach in this case, while certainly an excellent exhibition of your integrity, would be very risky from a grading standpoint. While your integrity can be repaired, your grade cannot.
Based on that logic, you can decide to humor the professor and get the good grade.
AFTER the grade is awarded, you could speak to the professor about your concerns; he might be grateful that you've told him about a problem that could cause him difficulty in the future with other students.
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Bruzilla
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My youngest son is having the same problem with a teacher at his high school. The teacher is very liberal, and likes to stage debates on "vital issues of the times", which always end up being isues that are vital to Democrats such as abolishing the death penalty, outlawing abortion, continuing the AWB, etc. He never wants to debate any of these subjects outright, just wants to discuss the liberal concerns.
My son kept coming to me and asking for what he should do about this, and my direction was to spend a couple of hours each day away from playing X-Box and watch Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, and collect information. His teacher always schedules these affairs when the topics are all over the news, so there's usually an ample amount of discussion going on for him to view, then we discuss the merits of the discussions afterwards. This way he learns about the issue and sees some different debate points to argue with.
I think he would be in the same boat as this young man, but this county is about 80% Republican, and there's no shortage of kids willing to take the Conservative point of view in the class. There's no way he can fail all of the kids, so I guess he has to make concessions.
Speaking personally, I agree 100% with Larry. You can never go wrong following your conscience.
My son kept coming to me and asking for what he should do about this, and my direction was to spend a couple of hours each day away from playing X-Box and watch Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, and collect information. His teacher always schedules these affairs when the topics are all over the news, so there's usually an ample amount of discussion going on for him to view, then we discuss the merits of the discussions afterwards. This way he learns about the issue and sees some different debate points to argue with.
I think he would be in the same boat as this young man, but this county is about 80% Republican, and there's no shortage of kids willing to take the Conservative point of view in the class. There's no way he can fail all of the kids, so I guess he has to make concessions.
Speaking personally, I agree 100% with Larry. You can never go wrong following your conscience.
Spoiled
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I had a teacher in my school which one parent, when talking to claimed the same thing and insisted this is why her daughter was marked down or what ever... I had friends in her daughters class who said she never spoke (which is probably true, she never spoke in any other classes either) and the class was about debating and what not, which would be why she got low marks. I also had plenty of conservative friends in the class which recieved high marks and higher marks than most everyone else. They always got to debate, they always got to put in their two cents. The debates were structured each side got X minutes to talk then time for a rebuttle after the other side spoke... There were also a set number of times your group could talk...Bruzilla said:
Not that that has anything to do with anything, if i may ask which school does your son goto?
edit: nm you live in FL :x
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What a bunch of sheep. First someone say's go for the grade and swallow your pride..(which I think is correct since she has this proffesor all day every day and it could effect more than just this class.) Then someone say's follow your beliefs and everyone goes with that...baaa..baaa
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Sparx said:
Goodmorning sunshine
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Spoiled said:
Both of my sons go to Flemming Island High School. It's a brand new school, with this school year being only the second since it opened.
I hear what you're saying about maybe it's not the teacher but the student, and that's why I like to go and visit the school from time to time and sit in on some classes. My sons always hate it everytime I do it, but they frequently manage to pull me into some conversations, especially since I've been just about everywhere. They have some really great teachers, and the teacher I mentioned is about as good as the others.
What I find humorous is that, like most liberals, he does not see himself as being a Liberal. He sees himself as a Moderate. But when you look at the list of topics that he likes to discuss, it becomes obvious that he's not very moderate. As I said before, he doesn't propose a debate on gun control, rather his debate is on why the AWB shouldn't be repealed. It isn't about Abortion right or wrong, it's about why repealing Roe V Wade would be a bad thing. It's the little things that they don't even seem to notice, like when during the election there were headlines that the outcome of the election could have severe impacts on abortion, the environment, etc., but nothing like tax rates, gun ownership, or other conservative issues.
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Sparx said:
I think there's two different issues being discussed - What the kid should do, and what we as individuals would do. Personally, I think the kid should follow my advice, but I'm biased.
Speaking for me personnaly... it's been my belief that the only person who's opinion you need to worry about is the guy who looks back at you from the mirror each morning. Be true to that person, and life will be fine. That's an attitude that has cost me a few jobs because I frequently told people things they didn't want to hear, but in the end it's gotten me to where I am now, which is living where I want, doing what I want, and making the kind of money I wanted. So, is being true to yourself a bad thing? Not for me. 
There's right and there's dead right. I think she should just write the paper her professor wants to see, take her A and move on.Bruzilla said:
Hey, Sparx...I think I hear your Mommy calling you...
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vraiblonde said:
I'm not disagreeing with you as that's a perfectly acceptable resolution to the problem for some people. But it's also the way people acclimate themselves to working a crappy job, for crappy money, for a crappy boss, and being miserable.
Speaking just for myself, I lost a very good paying job in Maryland because I dared to speak the truth and my customers wanted to hear that everything was going well. So they replaced me with someone who would tell them what they wanted to hear. In the end, I had to find a new job and my old customers have since lost their jobs because they weren't taking care of their customers... just like I had been telling them.
At my next job, I was more than a bit gun-shy, and started becoming someone I knew I wasn't. I started saying the wrong things to get a good "grade", and I was making good money, but I was highly frustrated and unhappy doing it. So, I could either keep going along to get along, and wait until the new crop of dork managers lost our work, or I could go back to being me and say F it, I'm outta here.
I set three goals for myself: 1. I wanted to live in Jacksonville, 2. I wanted to be doing Human Performance work, and 3. I wanted to be making at least $100k per year. With those three goals in mind I quit my job at Pax River, found a house in Jax on the internet, got a U-Haul, and off we went. Now I've not only met or exceeded all three of my goals, but I'm working for a great company that truly values performance and the all-mighty dollar, and we're having a blast living in Florida.
So, when I read people giving this kid advice that they should go along to get along because they'll need that vital bit of experience in their future employment, I would like to offer some advice to the advice givers... go find a new job that likes you and that you like.
The problem is that Janey isn't in a position to quit her class. I mean, I suppose she could but that seems rather drastic for some stupid paper.Bruzilla said:So, when I read people giving this kid advice that they should go along to get along because they'll need that vital bit of experience in their future employment, I would like to offer some advice to the advice givers... go find a new job that likes you and that you like.
And you know as well as I do that most people will sit in their crappy job for the rest of their life, hating every minute of it but doing nothing to change it. People like you and I are the exception, not the rule.