Revelation 8 Something like a mountain

seekeroftruth

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Revelation 8:8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

Wow.... something like a huge mountain that's on fire will fall into the sea.... Now John didn't know much about Oceans.... all he knew was the sea.

It sounds like a huge meteor to me. To a fisherman like John, the destruction of a third of the creatures of the sea and a third of the ships would be devastating.

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Concern4Calvert

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Revelation 8:8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

Wow.... something like a huge mountain that's on fire will fall into the sea.... Now John didn't know much about Oceans.... all he knew was the sea.

It sounds like a huge meteor to me. To a fisherman like John, the destruction of a third of the creatures of the sea and a third of the ships would be devastating.

:coffee:

is there by any chance shale rock in that mountain :nerd:
 

b23hqb

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Ya know, Rev 8:1 is proof there are no women in heaven yet - "there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour" - ahem.....errr......old church joke.....

"As if it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea" - a staggering thought of the absolute misery and destruction God will set upon this beautiful creation of his, and so full of sin. The misery just continues to increase with each successive trumpet.

"Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up." - James 4:10
 

cheezgrits

Thought pirate
Ya know, Rev 8:1 is proof there are no women in heaven yet - "there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour" - ahem.....errr......old church joke.....

"As if it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea" - a staggering thought of the absolute misery and destruction God will set upon this beautiful creation of his, and so full of sin. The misery just continues to increase with each successive trumpet.

"Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up." - James 4:10

Or, as science has proven, it is likely a volcano and you'll get an island when it's done.
 

cheezgrits

Thought pirate
Whatever staggers your mind. Science has proven nothing of the kind concerning an event that has yet to take place.

Whatever staggers my mind? You're the one standing on a story being told from a delusional middle eastern man that was jailed and held captive and likely hallucinating from dehydration when he "saw" his revelations.

But, hey, we'll find out sooner or later won't we?
 

seekeroftruth

Well-Known Member
Whatever staggers my mind? You're the one standing on a story being told from a delusional middle eastern man that was jailed and held captive and likely hallucinating from dehydration when he "saw" his revelations.

But, hey, we'll find out sooner or later won't we?

Ok... let's put this in CNN everyday language....

I do believe that John, a middle eastern man was held captive for his refusal to stop claiming that Jesus was the Messiah. I do believe that John, a middle eastern man, walked with Jesus when he was feeding thousands of people with no budget. I do believe that John, a middle eastern man was held captive because he refused to give up on the idea that his friend Jesus healed the sick and brought people back from the dead.

I do believe that John, a middle eastern man, was held captive because he kept saying that Jesus, after being hung on a cross by the Romans [at the request of the Jewish leadership] and after being declared dead and laid in a borrowed tomb, sealed and guarded.... was alive and walking around three days later. I do believe that it was reported on the day John's friend Jesus, was executed, there was a horrible earthquake and simultaneous eclipse of the sun. I also believe that numerous people reported seeing not only John's friend Jesus, but others who were entombed, walking and talking three days after the day of the earthquake and eclipse.

Some non-believers claim that John was just delusional due to hydration when he wrote Revelation. I believe John had a vision from God. People from other religions have been said to have had visions. Some say that people of American Indian descent have had visions. So it's entirely possible that John had a vision from God.

Now, regarding the Mountain vs. the Volcano..... it says that John reported hearing a trumpet. The Shofar [trumpet] was used to warn the nation. So he heard a warning horn. I know you've heard the emergency sirens. They test them all the time in Calvert County. People in Europe heard them all the time during the two world wars. John was not familiar with sirens.... but he described the siren as an angelic trumpet.... that makes sense to me.

I read in the previous verse that something feel from the sky, probably a small piece of space trash or parts of a meteor, that fell from the sky and took out a third of the trees and all of the grass. That seems highly possible. John wouldn't have been familiar with Napalm either. Maybe what he's describing could be Napalm... right?

Then we read here that something as big as a mountain falls from the sky and it falls into the sea. A meteor the size of the mountain is entirely plausible. We are warned all the time that meteors come close to the earth all the time.

This can't be a volcano according to Johns description. Volcano's don't fall from the sky. Volcano's form when there are cracks in the earth's crust.

I believe that God created everything.... the whole universe... the whole system of galaxies.... Given this.... I believe that what John is probably describing here is a meteor the size of a mountain hitting a large body of water. I believe John is doing his best to describe a vision of a natural disaster that he cannot comprehend let alone find the words to describe.

A while back I warned that we should not get lost in the minutia of these verses.... now I'm also reminding myself to look at the verses as God inspired.... that means... anything is possible.... God took out Sodom with what appeared to be a meteor shower.... now, according to John's description, God is taking out the earth with a growing meteor hit. First a shower that takes out the trees, then a meteor that lands in the sea, and in the next verses... a larger meteor that takes out the rivers and springs.

John, a man of middle eastern descent, and a friend of Jesus, who was crucified on the same day of a horrible earthquake and eclipse of the sun, claims to have had a vision of a major event. I'd give it some credence, if CNN reported it today....

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cheezgrits

Thought pirate
Becky, I understand completely your point, my point in my response was to those on this forum that will stand by a vision from someone as "gospel", yet will call me a pagan and dismiss my "religion" that ironically includes visions. It is well know that many indigenous cultures participate in "vision quests" and have visions during many ceremonies.

Did not mean to discount your message, but tried to make some of the narrow minded individuals on this forum open their minds a bit.
 
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Chuckt

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Becky, I understand completely your point, my point in my response was to those on this forum that will stand by a vision from someone as "gospel", yet will call me a pagan and dismiss my "religion" that ironically includes visions. It is well know that many indigenous cultures participate in "vision quests" and have visions during many ceremonies.

Did not mean to discount your message, but tried to make some of the narrow minded individuals on this forum open their minds a bit.

There is a big difference because I give great scrutiny to signs and wonders which visions fall into because first you have to prove if the vision is from God, the devil or your flesh.
I got annoyed to no end by Charismatic Christians in some other Christian forums so I used my studying to write a post that got me in hot water with a lot of believers so even though it wasn't personal towards anyone nor used any bad words at all, some forums deleted it because they were Charismatic. Man is evil and his dreams and schemes are evil so visions can fall under evil as well.

Second, no one is going to believe something if you have a vision. Why would it make me believe? But if you healed someone in the name of your God then maybe someone would believe but you don't have that power so no one is going to really believe you.

People became Christians because supernatural truth was demonstrated at the cross which means that a lot of people don't play games but only believe because something happened. The other thing is that Indians and other earth religions didn't bring a higher law that has benefited humanity like Christianity did. Millions of people go hungry and starve in India because they can't eat a cow because of their belief in reincarnation. There are other philosophical problems with pagan religions.
 
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cheezgrits

Thought pirate
There is a big difference because I give great scrutiny to signs and wonders which visions fall into because first you have to prove if the vision is from God, the devil or your flesh.
I got annoyed to no end by Charismatic Christians in some other Christian forums so I used my studying to write a post that got me in hot water with a lot of believers so even though it wasn't personal towards anyone nor used any bad words at all, some forums deleted it because they were Charismatic. Man is evil and his dreams and schemes are evil so visions can fall under evil as well.

Second, no one is going to believe something if you have a vision. Why would it make me believe? But if you healed someone in the name of your God then maybe someone would believe but you don't have that power so no one is going to really believe you.

People became Christians because supernatural truth was demonstrated at the cross which means that a lot of people don't play games but only believe because something happened. The other thing is that Indians and other earth religions didn't bring a higher law that has benefited humanity like Christianity did. Millions of people go hungry and starve in India because they can't eat a cow because of their belief in reincarnation. There are other philosophical problems with pagan religions.

Because Christianity helped my people, what with all the rape, disease, etc.
 

cheezgrits

Thought pirate
There is a big difference because I give great scrutiny to signs and wonders which visions fall into because first you have to prove if the vision is from God, the devil or your flesh.
I got annoyed to no end by Charismatic Christians in some other Christian forums so I used my studying to write a post that got me in hot water with a lot of believers so even though it wasn't personal towards anyone nor used any bad words at all, some forums deleted it because they were Charismatic. Man is evil and his dreams and schemes are evil so visions can fall under evil as well.

Second, no one is going to believe something if you have a vision. Why would it make me believe? But if you healed someone in the name of your God then maybe someone would believe but you don't have that power so no one is going to really believe you.

People became Christians because supernatural truth was demonstrated at the cross which means that a lot of people don't play games but only believe because something happened. The other thing is that Indians and other earth religions didn't bring a higher law that has benefited humanity like Christianity did. Millions of people go hungry and starve in India because they can't eat a cow because of their belief in reincarnation. There are other philosophical problems with pagan religions.

You can prove this how?
 

cheezgrits

Thought pirate
There is a big difference because I give great scrutiny to signs and wonders which visions fall into because first you have to prove if the vision is from God, the devil or your flesh.
I got annoyed to no end by Charismatic Christians in some other Christian forums so I used my studying to write a post that got me in hot water with a lot of believers so even though it wasn't personal towards anyone nor used any bad words at all, some forums deleted it because they were Charismatic. Man is evil and his dreams and schemes are evil so visions can fall under evil as well.

Second, no one is going to believe something if you have a vision. Why would it make me believe? But if you healed someone in the name of your God then maybe someone would believe but you don't have that power so no one is going to really believe you.

People became Christians because supernatural truth was demonstrated at the cross which means that a lot of people don't play games but only believe because something happened. The other thing is that Indians and other earth religions didn't bring a higher law that has benefited humanity like Christianity did. Millions of people go hungry and starve in India because they can't eat a cow because of their belief in reincarnation. There are other philosophical problems with pagan religions.

Thank you for discounting Revelations!
 
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Chuckt

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Chuckt

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Yeah, you did. Revelations was a vision, correct? You stated no one is going to believe something if you have a vision. Or are you cherry picking your statements now?

John was with Jesus. Who are you?
 

cheezgrits

Thought pirate
John was with Jesus. Who are you?

John was not with Jesus, according to your bible. He heard the voice of Jesus, who gave him a vision from God. God told the story to Jesus (which is confusing, because don't you think they are one and the same?) and Jesus gave the vision to John, so it was a vision.

If that's not correct in your eyes, do feel free to give me your interpretations.

And who am I? I'm the person who is one of many calling you out on your pretentiousness.
 

seekeroftruth

Well-Known Member
John was not with Jesus, according to your bible. He heard the voice of Jesus, who gave him a vision from God. God told the story to Jesus (which is confusing, because don't you think they are one and the same?) and Jesus gave the vision to John, so it was a vision.

If that's not correct in your eyes, do feel free to give me your interpretations.

And who am I? I'm the person who is one of many calling you out on your pretentiousness.

I think what Chuckt meant to say was that John knew Jesus personally.

I don't think God told Jesus.... the vision John is describing is a vision of what is going on in Heaven in the future. Jesus is a participant in the events. He's opening seals and angels are doing their jobs.

Jesus did speak to John in the vision.... back when He was telling John what to write to the churches.

I am heartbroken that Bible study threads have encouraged arguments....

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cheezgrits

Thought pirate
I think what Chuckt meant to say was that John knew Jesus personally.

I don't think God told Jesus.... the vision John is describing is a vision of what is going on in Heaven in the future. Jesus is a participant in the events. He's opening seals and angels are doing their jobs.

Jesus did speak to John in the vision.... back when He was telling John what to write to the churches.

I am heartbroken that Bible study threads have encouraged arguments....

:coffee:

Out of respect for you, I will refrain from engaging the village idiot over minutia.
 
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