Revelation 8 Wormsood

seekeroftruth

seekeroftruth

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Revelation 8:10 The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11 the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.​

[a] Revelation 8:11 Wormwood means bitter substance

Now another entity falls from the sky.... it's called a great star.... bigger than a mountain.... and it takes out a third of the drinking water. Now the earth has got to be in trouble. We can go without food much longer than we can go without drinking water.

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Chuckt

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The word “wormwood” is mentioned only here in the New Testament, but it appears eight times in the Old Testament, each time associated with bitterness, poison and death. The Revelation passage may not be saying that the star falling to the earth will actually be called Wormwood by the inhabitants of the earth. Rather, wormwood was a well-known bitter herb in the Bible times, so by naming the star Wormwood, we are told that its effect will be to embitter the waters of the earth, so much so that the water is undrinkable. It won’t be a matter of simply a bitter taste to the water; it will literally be poisonous. If drinking water is unavailable to one third of the earth’s population, it’s easy to see how chaos and terror will result. Humans can only survive a couple of days without water, and the inhabitants of the affected areas will be so desperate as to actually drink the poisoned water, causing the death of thousands, if not millions of people.
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http://www.gotquestions.org/wormwood.html
 
b23hqb

b23hqb

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cheezgrits said:
So you said what seeker said.
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With a bit more insight and light shined on the topic. Do you have a problem with more in-depth research and writings on any particular topic? That in no way lessens what the OP stated.
 
cheezgrits

cheezgrits

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b23hqb said:
With a bit more insight and light shined on the topic. Do you have a problem with more in-depth research and writings on any particular topic? That in no way lessens what the OP stated.
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No,no problem, but chuckt shows exactly what he is, a Google warrior with no insightfulness of his own.

At least you have your own very bigoted opinions.
 
cheezgrits

cheezgrits

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b23hqb said:
With a bit more insight and light shined on the topic. Do you have a problem with more in-depth research and writings on any particular topic? That in no way lessens what the OP stated.
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And please point out what extra insight your fellow self-proclaimed biblical philosopher and expert added?
 
cheezgrits

cheezgrits

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stgislander said:
And if you distill wormwood, you get absinthe.
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Yeah, not as scary as it seems. https://www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/wormwood/profile

Maybe the biblical reference to wormwood is the bitterness, as in the phrase "it's a bitter pill to swallow". Maybe the reference isn't as literal as some would think. But hey, I'm no chuckt bible scholar. I'm just a regular dude that researches and looks things up to learn all side then form an independent thought all my own. But that's just me...
 
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Chuckt

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cheezgrits said:
Yeah, not as scary as it seems. https://www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/wormwood/profile

Maybe the biblical reference to wormwood is the bitterness, as in the phrase "it's a bitter pill to swallow". Maybe the reference isn't as literal as some would think. But hey, I'm no chuckt bible scholar. I'm just a regular dude that researches and looks things up to learn all side then form an independent thought all my own. But that's just me...
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It is translated "hemlock" in the Old Testament.

it is from an unused root supposed to mean to curse and another definition is poisonous which may give the word in the old testament some history.

http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H3939&t=KJV
 
cheezgrits

cheezgrits

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Chuckt said:
No. I have a college degree and it comes with all the rights and privileges according to the state which it was written in.
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I have two degrees. So what? Are we going to waste internet space with a "mine is bigger than yours" contest?

Usually, those that have to continually express the fact to everyone that they have a degree are attempting to cover thir insecurity at how much they really don't know.

You ain't impressing me, chuckie
 
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Chuckt

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cheezgrits said:
I have two degrees. So what? Are we going to waste internet space with a "mine is bigger than yours" contest?

Usually, those that have to continually express the fact to everyone that they have a degree are attempting to cover thir insecurity at how much they really don't know.

You ain't impressing me, chuckie
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I was talking to a Muslim on my college campus and they were doing evangelism and he agreed with me that he believes there is a hell and since there is, everyone should do what they could to stay out of hell.
Do you think I want to take advice from a knucklehead on the internet who is posting in their pajamas? No. A majority of the books I have are written by people who have their doctorate degree.
I have been listening to the different theories on salvation and how to get to heaven so I am very very careful in how I quote the Bible because the minute I take my eyes off of the page is when I and other people make mistakes so I am very very careful in trying to carefully understand and transmit what I am learning. God's decision in whom to let in and whom to not let in is based on what God says and the decisions God makes is not a democracy where you get to feel what is truth today because what you feel today may not be what you feel tomorrow and if truth can change, what is true today won't be true tomorrow.

You can be careless with your future and the future of your friends and the people who might claim to care about but I am not.

The are causes of accidents: "I didn't know.", "I couldn't see.", etc. People have over confidence and lack of preparedness. People take shortcuts.

Mark Twain once said, “It is better to be careful 100 times than to get killed once.”

My boss made costly mistakes for the business I work in. My boss said, "I couldn't see." because no one quite knows the future except God does.
 
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seekeroftruth

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It is heartbreaking that someone posts a Bible Verse, and about 100 people to that forum to read those verses daily.... and others go there to argue.

Cheezegrits has agreed not to do that anymore.... I sent a message to chuckt requesting the same and we'll see...

Look, I agree with freedom of speech.... especially on these forums. I like it when others bring insight into the Bible verse posts. I just think this is getting a little out of hand.

I apologize if this is inappropriate....

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stgislander

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seekeroftruth said:
It is heartbreaking that someone posts a Bible Verse, and about 100 people to that forum to read those verses daily.... and others go there to argue.

Cheezegrits has agreed not to do that anymore.... I sent a message to chuckt requesting the same and we'll see...

Look, I agree with freedom of speech.... especially on these forums. I like it when others bring insight into the Bible verse posts. I just think this is getting a little out of hand.

I apologize if this is inappropriate....

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You go girl!!! :buddies:
 
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Chuckt

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seekeroftruth said:
It is heartbreaking that someone posts a Bible Verse, and about 100 people to that forum to read those verses daily.... and others go there to argue.

Cheezegrits has agreed not to do that anymore.... I sent a message to chuckt requesting the same and we'll see...

Look, I agree with freedom of speech.... especially on these forums. I like it when others bring insight into the Bible verse posts. I just think this is getting a little out of hand.

I apologize if this is inappropriate....

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It is inappropriate because it is bearing false witness to hide the truth and to pretend everything is okay which is breaking one of the commandments.

Jamess 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

To have the truth and not give it is sin.

Secondly, Paul disputed daily so when you ask what the Biblical Christians would do, would that still be your response?

Acts 17:17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.

I'm sorry you would want to use me like that because what you are asking me to do is be deceitful and withhold the facts from people.
 
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Chuckt

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Chuckt said:
It is inappropriate because it is bearing false witness to hide the truth and to pretend everything is okay which is breaking one of the commandments.

Jamess 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

To have the truth and not give it is sin.

Secondly, Paul disputed daily so when you ask what the Biblical Christians would do, would that still be your response?

Acts 17:17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.

I'm sorry you would want to use me like that because what you are asking me to do is be deceitful and withhold the facts from people.
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New International Version
"'If anyone sins because they do not speak up when they hear a public charge to testify regarding something they have seen or learned about, they will be held responsible. - Leviticus 5:1 NIV (C) NIV

http://biblehub.com/leviticus/5-1.htm

My church held to the truth that if you don't speak up, it is sin. Speaking about the truth is where you get arguments, etc.

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

A majority of the verses in the Bible are prophetic.

A definition of prophecy is:

1.prophecy

1.a discourse emanating from divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden; esp. by foretelling future events
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http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4394&t=KJV

So when we withhold truth, we are in a sense bearing false witness against the truth by withholding the truth. In court, we are told to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Prophecy is the teaching of the Bible and when we withhold truth, we are covering the prophecy by withholding it which is lying.

Matthew 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

There is more classical teaching on this but I would have to ask my friend who is a pastor so I can remember it.

But by withholding the truth, others will hold down the truth in unrighteousness:

Romans 1:18 ¶ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

The truth is being held down.

Heaven won't be like that:

Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it (where God dwells) any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

And Paul disputed daily as the scripture says so if Paul could get a following in spite of disputing then that is real when others who want to gain a following from non argument and can't. I would say that Paul's witness was stronger than the truth that you are all getting today. There is something wrong when people want to do things not Paul's way or not Jesus' way and when they were just the opposite and they had a stronger following.
 
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