Ring or Nest camera to discourage miscreants?

Goldenhawk

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...or some other brand? I've been considering a security camera, and I'm curious what experiences this forum's members have had with the technology.

Totally wireless? Wired only for power with wifi for signal? Totally wired CCTV with recording box? Viewable by cell phone, or not? etc...

Our neighborhood in the Great Mills area has wrestled with recurring rashes of overnight car break-ins, and a few Amazon-box porch pirates. Is just having that flashing red light a deterrent or not? Do the videos ever solve a crime?

Lots to discuss...
 

ASBrooks88

New Member
Amazon has there own brand, 2 cameras really cheap. Battery last long, and you can actually get solar panels to charge them up, and use the battery as a backup.
 

littlelady

God bless the USA
When Alexa listening to your every word isn't enough, get an Amazon spy cam. :yay:

We have an Alexa that is not plugged in, but she still creeps me out. Dot got it and didn’t want it, anymore; so gave to us. It is trash time for her, or I can see if anyone on Olney next door wants her. We don’t use Amazon for anything, anymore. Period. To think Bezos started his company out of his garage selling used books, and, now, is a major contender in the World. I would like to think he is a patriot, but, sadly, he is not. The power thing takes over, and I will never understand that. The USA made it possible for him to thrive, and he has betrayed US. Benedict Arnold comes to mind.
 
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BernieP

Resident PIA
the amazon blink cameras are great an no recurring subscription charges
I was going to say, they don't advertise that there is a monthly fee for cloud storage.
Co-worker was discussing this or I would not have known.

Personally I saw this new system on the Henry Ford Innovation Nation (CBS Saturday Mornings).
When the alarm is tripped it puts out a dense cloud that makes it near impossible to see even your hand at arms length.
The cloud is non-toxic and doesn't leave any residue behind. But the demonstration was impressive (the inventor and the reporter).
 

Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
...or some other brand? I've been considering a security camera, and I'm curious what experiences this forum's members have had with the technology.

Totally wireless? Wired only for power with wifi for signal? Totally wired CCTV with recording box? Viewable by cell phone, or not? etc...

Our neighborhood in the Great Mills area has wrestled with recurring rashes of overnight car break-ins, and a few Amazon-box porch pirates. Is just having that flashing red light a deterrent or not? Do the videos ever solve a crime?

Lots to discuss...

What is the intent? To deter or to identify in case the worse happens to your home?
 

Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
No reason it cant be C) both of the above.

True. I wasn't implying it had to be one or the other, but identifying takes more than what those NEST-type cams can give you (typically). Not to mention storage (as mentioned earlier).
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
We have NEST and love them.. it saves video for 5 days (or is it 10?) and I can select clips to save forever. I get alerts no matter where I am in tje world and can view live video from the same.
 

Goldenhawk

Well-Known Member
What is the intent? To deter or to identify in case the worse happens to your home?
(C) Both of the above, maybe.

I've seen enough grainy nighttime videos to realize that identification is iffy at best. You get a wonderful record that some unidentifiable scumbag was trying all your car doors... and that's about it. And I've seen a few local videos where the individual used a bandana to cover his face - obviously knowing that the camera was there but not caring otherwise. I assume the police don't get much out of the recordings, unless it corroborates some other data that does identify them.

But if I'm going to spend the money, might as well get something decent. Proving that some delivery guy threw your package 15 feet onto the porch seems like a useful option, for example.

I know cheap dummy cameras are a thing. Not sure how much a deterrent they are if people ignore the real ones too.
 

PeoplesElbow

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(C) Both of the above, maybe.

I've seen enough grainy nighttime videos to realize that identification is iffy at best. You get a wonderful record that some unidentifiable scumbag was trying all your car doors... and that's about it. And I've seen a few local videos where the individual used a bandana to cover his face - obviously knowing that the camera was there but not caring otherwise. I assume the police don't get much out of the recordings, unless it corroborates some other data that does identify them.

But if I'm going to spend the money, might as well get something decent. Proving that some delivery guy threw your package 15 feet onto the porch seems like a useful option, for example.

I know cheap dummy cameras are a thing. Not sure how much a deterrent they are if people ignore the real ones too.
Nice thing about the Amazon unit is that it will alert you when it is triggered, so if you are inside you phone will ding and it will start recording.

I dont think a camera will deter these retards around here, but it can help ID them so when the court lets them go I can take an aluminum bat to their knees.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Nice thing about the Amazon unit is that it will alert you when it is triggered, so if you are inside you phone will ding and it will start recording.

I dont think a camera will deter these retards around here, but it can help ID them so when the court lets them go I can take an aluminum bat to their knees.


Why, Sir, it almost sounds as if you think perhaps our local judges are not quite as "anti-crime" as you might wish!!!!!!
 
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Chris0nllyn

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(C) Both of the above, maybe.

I've seen enough grainy nighttime videos to realize that identification is iffy at best. You get a wonderful record that some unidentifiable scumbag was trying all your car doors... and that's about it. And I've seen a few local videos where the individual used a bandana to cover his face - obviously knowing that the camera was there but not caring otherwise. I assume the police don't get much out of the recordings, unless it corroborates some other data that does identify them.

But if I'm going to spend the money, might as well get something decent. Proving that some delivery guy threw your package 15 feet onto the porch seems like a useful option, for example.

I know cheap dummy cameras are a thing. Not sure how much a deterrent they are if people ignore the real ones too.

While there's no way cameras can guarantee you catch the perp, a well-designed system can help develop an ID.

You probably want something to capture a license plate. I don't know your driveway layout but you'll want a camera with a high pixel count at whatever distance you feel is adequate. For instance, if you live on a street and get a camera that only illuminates (via IR) 10' of your driveway, you won't get a good shot of the license plate of the car parked on the street.

Another aspect is to view the areas that may invite a perp. Your front door/porch, back door/porch, AC Unit, etc.
And another is audio. Do you want it?

You need to determine your field of view, target height, and install height. For example:
- You want to mount a camera at the corner of your 2 story house (let's say 20ft) aimed at the end of your driveway that's 30 ft away and you want a 55-degree field of view.

Next is to determine the number of pixels you need per foot. I would use a minimum of 38px/ft.

Axis is a great camera mfr. and they have this tool to help select cameras based on all the criteria above. (Disclaimer: I don't work for them, I just use them in security camera designs)
https://sitedesigner.axis.com/

They are also very expensive. The hypothetical corner-mounted camera above would use an Axis Q3515-LV. That camera is about $800. For one camera. You can use the camera data to select a cheaper one though.

You'll also need to determine the camera type. IP or analog? I'd go with IP and Power over Ethernet (PoE). That way it's one single netwrok cable from the DVR to the camera.

Speaking of DVRs, once you have the number and types of cameras figured out, you'll want to decide on storage. How long do you want video stored? Maybe you go on vacation for a week without WiFi or cell service and don't get the notification from Nest or Amazon camera and the video is lost. Then what? The higher pixels per foot, the larger the storage needs. Not to mention data rates, PoE power, network ports, etc.

I'm not trying to inundate you with information, I want to point out that there are a TON of options out there, as you probably saw, but designing a real CCTV system requires time and some thinking. Don't be suckered into marketing gimmicks like "1080p!" or "15MP" without knowing what you want and why.

If you want something simple and easy, certainly go with a Nest or other simple camera, but be wary of the storage. they may charge you to store or what you can store for free isn't very much (going back to the vacation hypothetical).

Good luck.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
True. I wasn't implying it had to be one or the other, but identifying takes more than what those NEST-type cams can give you (typically). Not to mention storage (as mentioned earlier).
:killingme yes, look at the store security system photos the SMCSD puts out when they are asking the public for help identifying a suspect.
"Well I think it's human deputy"
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
Why, Sir, it almost sounds as if you think perhaps our local judges are not quite as "anti-crime" as you might wish!!!!!!
Don't blame the judge without knowing the facts. SA will cut plea deals because their case isn't strong and juries are total retards.
I had the misfortune of sitting on a jury, people take literally the phrase, "beyond a reasonable doubt". Actually they one up that, the remove the word "reasonable:" and come up with all sorts of "what if"" scenarios
 

lucky_bee

RBF expert
We use Arlo. We keep one pointed to the front door and another inside. Unfortunately, it's strictly for identifying purposes and alerts - it's not a deterrent, but its enough for now as we know we'll be moving soon and didn't want to spend too much only to leave something too customized for this house behind. Its wifi enacted, works with an app, can be set to motion-detect or live; sound and picture is very clear. Microphone can be enabled to talk thru the Arlo app (say hi to the dog or yell at the guy breaking in that he's being watched :lol:), there's an alarm you can sound off thru the app, you can adjust the sensitivity, and you can connect it to multiple devices so my husband and I both get the alerts for front door activity. Cameras just need charging every once in awhile (can see battery status on app) - they come with little magnet hooks so they're easy to adjust and/or remove for charging. It has a few other great points.
 
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