BOP
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I can only conclude you post the crap you do in order to receive the abuse you have coming to you.
RIP, GHW Bush...
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I can only conclude you post the crap you do in order to receive the abuse you have coming to you.
There's no need to insult me.
I understand all that, but if we were going to half ass it by order of the Almighty UN and reluctant pseudo allies, we should have stayed out of it. Why spend all that money and not solve the problem? What was it, about 5 seconds later Saddam was right back at it?
I only want to pay for wars that solve a problem. It's like some guy breaks into your house, and when the cops come they don't haul him off to jail, they just take him outside your house.
SamSpade
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Apologies. I had no idea it would be an insult. Won't be repeated.
Well, because Kuwait was a UN member, and they did more than just annex the place. This was wholesale slaughter and mayhem that would be repeated later
in the Balkans. We needed our Arab allies to be in on it. Remember one of the reasons bin Laden hated about America? We set foot on the holy soil of Saudi Arabia.
It was a big thing to let us in on that. We had an obligation to free Kuwait - and a huge financial threat should Saddam either shut down the Gulf - or worse - what he DID do -
try to spoil it by dumping oil into it, and threaten Saudi's water supply. Worse, during Desert Shield, he was positioning troops and tanks along the Saudi border - and he could
have taken it without much of a fight.
Yeah well sadly Bush wasn't re-elected so years of breaking the no-fly zone areas, slaughter of Shiites and oppression in the area - and Bubba thought nothing of it
until it was convenient during the Starr investigation and the Lewinsky thing . Remember how years later, we'd all quote all the Democrats itching for war in '98?
They didn't want war - they wanted a distraction. We know also now Bubba had MANY chances to nail bin Laden - and did nothing.
More like, we dragged him outside, stripped him naked, beat him black and blue and warned him not to pull any ####. Bear in mind, stuff like the Highway of Death is still
considered by many in the Arab world to be a war crime. At the beginning of the war, Saddam had like the fourth largest air force in the world - at the end, he had NONE.
Ditto the rest of his war machine. Frankly, possibly the big mistake we made was hurting him too much, but we had to be certain - after five to six months of moving troops and
materials - he couldn't just roll back in.
NOW - I *will* agree he caved to the Democrats way too easily. One of the things that lost him the election was "Read my lips". He did that under pressure from the Dems,
who, once they got their tax increases, went back on their word. He DID fix the Resolution Trust/Housing debacle, and did it extremely well. Even Krugman would agree, it
was handled well.
I also think the country just doesn't like one party in the White House for long. Since the days of FDR/Truman - no party has kept the White House longer than eight years
EXCEPT Reagan/Bush.
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WingsOfGold
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Out of both respect (or is it 'R-E-S-P-I-C-T' in sub human) and shame David Souter should hang himself for stabbing the good president in the back.
He was founder and president of Zapata petroleum company, an exploration firm and supposed CIA front.
If he gets a 3 does Carter get a negative number?
Yes.
littlelady
God bless the USA
What went wrong? How did a country that was founded for the people get overtaken by corrupt and ignorant politicians, news outlets, and a lobotomized current new generation herd of sheep?Nevermind. I know the answer.
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littlelady
God bless the USA
What is that called? Answer is ignorance. And, I think about all the critics who spew their crap, but wouldn’t have the fortitude to take on the prez job. What a bunch of cowardly, whiny little nothings. It is all just words. Discerning patriots easily wade through the swampy crap of it all.
I found this in my emails. Interesting.
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So, Thing 2 and I ventured into to DC this morning. We were fortunate in that the lines had not gotten too long before we got there. There was a line INSIDE, but none outside until after we had departed.
Drive in was steady traffic, but not terrible. Parking at the Suitland Metro station was a breeze, as was the walk up the hill from the Capitol South Metro station. The Capitol visitor's center had a very steadily moving line. When we were inside the Capitol Rotunda, to view the casket, there was no pressure to move quickly through. We we're afforded the opportunity to really stand & reflect for a bit of time. It was really quite solemn, and an honor to be able to be there.
Naturally, there was no photography allowed inside, but those memories as well as the ones along the way do stay with you, nonetheless.
Another side story: when we came out of the Capitol South Metro station and began walking up the hill to The Capitol, we passed a very elderly gentleman wearing a Korean Veteran ballcap. It was poignant in many ways, but most of all, because he was literally using a walker to make that trek. I guessed, but did not know, if he was headed to the Capitol, as we were, but as we stood before the flag draped casket, I looked across to the other side, and indeed, there was that Veteran! It was very moving to witness. Later, after I signed the guestbook, and waited for Thing2, I turned and caught a glimpse of this gentleman again. I felt compelled to walk over to him & thank him for his service - and so I did. He thanked me in return for my recognition.
It was a great morning being part of this very peaceful, very orderly and completely dignified gathering of people.
After we got home, I saw on TV that we missed Senator Bob Dole, and also Sully, POTUS GHW Bush's service dog visit by probably an hour.
I saw Senator Dole's visit on TV - that was pretty moving.
Drive in was steady traffic, but not terrible. Parking at the Suitland Metro station was a breeze, as was the walk up the hill from the Capitol South Metro station. The Capitol visitor's center had a very steadily moving line. When we were inside the Capitol Rotunda, to view the casket, there was no pressure to move quickly through. We we're afforded the opportunity to really stand & reflect for a bit of time. It was really quite solemn, and an honor to be able to be there.
Naturally, there was no photography allowed inside, but those memories as well as the ones along the way do stay with you, nonetheless.
Another side story: when we came out of the Capitol South Metro station and began walking up the hill to The Capitol, we passed a very elderly gentleman wearing a Korean Veteran ballcap. It was poignant in many ways, but most of all, because he was literally using a walker to make that trek. I guessed, but did not know, if he was headed to the Capitol, as we were, but as we stood before the flag draped casket, I looked across to the other side, and indeed, there was that Veteran! It was very moving to witness. Later, after I signed the guestbook, and waited for Thing2, I turned and caught a glimpse of this gentleman again. I felt compelled to walk over to him & thank him for his service - and so I did. He thanked me in return for my recognition.
It was a great morning being part of this very peaceful, very orderly and completely dignified gathering of people.
After we got home, I saw on TV that we missed Senator Bob Dole, and also Sully, POTUS GHW Bush's service dog visit by probably an hour.
I saw Senator Dole's visit on TV - that was pretty moving.
WingsOfGold
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Now more than ever I am happy it was President Bush that signed my final discharge papers (facsimile or autopen no doubt) on 31 Oct, 1991 instead of the white trash that superseded him.
littlelady
God bless the USA
If there has to be cartoons, I love this one...RIP George and Barbara.
SamSpade
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If he gets a 3 does Carter get a negative number?
He does, from me.
You know, Clinton and Obama have an interesting distinction - they're the only Democrats to be re-elected to their jobs -
outside of FDR - in almost 100 years. Last one was Wilson.
And obviously, I say RE-elected, meaning their first term in office was an elected one.
Truman was ELECTED once - on a squeaker.
Johnson was ELECTED once - in a landslide.
Carter wasn't re-elected at all - for good reason.
And since the dam broke on the Dems hold on the House - they've not held it more than four years since -
two cycles - and they gained it in a midterm. Twice.
Nancy should relish that gavel, because there's a really good chance she'll have it briefly, unless
they manage to eliminate ANY chance of GOP wins in California - their system is rigged to preserve
Democrat power.
He does, from me.
You know, Clinton and Obama have an interesting distinction - they're the only Democrats to be re-elected to their jobs -
outside of FDR - in almost 100 years. Last one was Wilson.
And obviously, I say RE-elected, meaning their first term in office was an elected one.
Truman was ELECTED once - on a squeaker.
Johnson was ELECTED once - in a landslide.
Carter wasn't re-elected at all - for good reason.
And since the dam broke on the Dems hold on the House - they've not held it more than four years since -
two cycles - and they gained it in a midterm. Twice.
Nancy should relish that gavel, because there's a really good chance she'll have it briefly, unless
they manage to eliminate ANY chance of GOP wins in California - their system is rigged to preserve
Democrat power.
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SamSpade
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You know - I had to go back and read more of the speech of Bush I - the read my lips speech - to get the whole gist of it.
"And I'm the one who will not raise taxes. My opponent -- My opponent now says --
My opponent now says he'll raise them as a last resort, or a third resort. But when a politician talks like that,
you know that's one resort he'll be checking into. My opponent won't rule out raising taxes.
But I will.
And the Congress will push me to raise taxes, and I'll say no,
and they'll push, and I'll say no,
and they'll push again, and I'll say, to them, "Read my lips: No new taxes."
I knew the Dems betrayed him - promising needed changes in exchange for tax increases - and never delivered -
but they crapped all over him during the '92 campaign for breaking the promise they cornered him into.
I don't know if I fault him for hoping they'd keep their word, but they definitely used it against him later.
"And I'm the one who will not raise taxes. My opponent -- My opponent now says --
My opponent now says he'll raise them as a last resort, or a third resort. But when a politician talks like that,
you know that's one resort he'll be checking into. My opponent won't rule out raising taxes.
But I will.
And the Congress will push me to raise taxes, and I'll say no,
and they'll push, and I'll say no,
and they'll push again, and I'll say, to them, "Read my lips: No new taxes."
I knew the Dems betrayed him - promising needed changes in exchange for tax increases - and never delivered -
but they crapped all over him during the '92 campaign for breaking the promise they cornered him into.
I don't know if I fault him for hoping they'd keep their word, but they definitely used it against him later.
Would you fault someone mauled who stuck their hand in a Lions cage?
SamSpade
Well-Known Member
I suppose it depends on how many assurances they got from experts who told them THIS lion poses no threat.
Levin brought this up on his radio show - he knew the risks going in. According to Alan Simpson's eulogy - he was promised
"two-year budgeting, entitlement reform, comprehensive and catastrophic health care,
social security solvency and much more, but it required a critical ingredient called revenue.
Translated into the word "taxes." Translated into the words "read my lips." "
Later, Simpson added -
"But he often said “when the really tough choices come, it's the country, not me.
It's not about Democrats or Republicans, it's for our country that I fought for.”
Translation - if it's good for the country, I don't care if I don't win politically.
When was the last time we had a politician like that?
Hijinx
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