Rt 4 Kingston creek

[glhs837]

Yea, well people are pretty much ignorant on historic plate requirements.

Not ignorance. they know, they just dont care.

 

[Clem72]

they just updated baynet. Head on collision between SRT Charger and Hyundai Sonata. Charger took the worst of it. Had to remove doors, roof, and roll the dash

If the Charger is that destroyed by a car weighing a half ton less, while the driver of the other much less damaged car can walk away... Well I know which brand I will not be considering for my next purchase.

 

[Auntie Biache']

which brings up another discussion which should probably start a new thread. I've said it before - too much productivity is lost in this county when there is an accident, any type of accident, because the first thing that Fire & Rescue and LEO want to do is shut down the road COMPLETELY!

We talk a lot about policies and failures of the state of California, but one thing I learned when traveling around the state 2 weeks ago is that they do what ever it takes to keep traffic moving (yes I understand they have a lot of traffic but it's all relative IMO). Accidents are pushed to the side of the road and traffic keeps moving the best it can. Google, FB, Apple - they need their employees being productive. Not sure if that's part of the reason that California tries to keep it's traffic moving, but I think we need to steal a page from them when it comes to accident clean up.

Or is it we don't care because a large part of our workforce is taxpayer funded? Either way, the trickle down effect of closing the road for any type of accident should be avoided as much as possible.

If they're saving a life, I couldn't care less about sitting in traffic. Maybe they could get traffic moving, but I doubt it's their first priority.

 

[MiddleGround]

Not ignorance. they know, they just dont care.

I don't fault the people for getting 'around' the price gouging for registrations. I see cars and trucks every day that are quite obviously NOT being used for the purposes required for Historic registrations. But, when you say "they" I suppose you mean the State or law enforcement.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Not ignorance. they know, they just dont care.

I don't fault the people for getting 'around' the price gouging for registrations. I see cars and trucks every day that are quite obviously NOT being used for the purposes required for Historic registrations. But, when you say "they" I suppose you mean the State or law enforcement.

I was talking about commenters.

Historic tags allow one to use the vehicle for "occasional transportation" and "similar uses". There's no restrictions on the time of day someone can drive. There's no mileage limit.

 

[Gilligan]

Maryland started cracking down on the abuse of Historic tags a few years back. At least two friends of mine had to put regular plates on their vehicles after being ticketed for regular use. That's why even my 1960s vintage vehicles have regular plates and not Historic.https://www.findcarmeets.com/effective-oct-1-2016-maryland-historic-plates-get-new-rules/

 

[MiddleGround]

Historic tags allow one to use the vehicle for "occasional transportation" and "similar uses". There's no restrictions on the time of day someone can drive. There's no mileage limit.

Really??

The REAL skinny!

A vehicle registered as historic cannot be used for general daily transportation, or primarily for the transportation of passengers or property on highways. It can only be used in exhibitions, club activities, parades, tours, occasional transportation and similar uses. A trailer does not qualify for historic registration. They will not be used for employment, transportation to and from employment or school, or for commercial purposes.

I'm fairly certain 3AM romps around the county do not qualify....

It also says that Historic vehicles cannot be "significantly modified" however, I have seen at least a dozen jacked up trucks or modified vehicles tagged as 'Historic.'

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Really??

The REAL skinny!



I'm fairly certain 3AM romps around the county do not qualify....

It also says that Historic vehicles cannot be "significantly modified" however, I have seen at least a dozen jacked up trucks or modified vehicles tagged as 'Historic.'

Really. There's nothing that stipulates a time of day of use and nothing that stipulates what "occasional" is.

I have a truck with historic tags. There have been plenty of times I have left to go hunting at 3am. While I won't make the guy's case for him, the reality is there are plenty of lawful things one can do at 3am and according to the MVA, "occasional transportation" (I don't see any time frames listed) is perfectly fine.

I'm sure people abuse the system, and that reflects more on the MVA's/State's zell for more money, IMO

 

[glhs837]

Yeah, the crackdown, as fart as I could tell was people using it to use older trucks for commercial purposes. Every single case I heard of where someone was nailed for it turned out to be someone with a 1985 full size truck or van loaded down with ladders and/or drywall.

and by they, I meant the people who do that. And no, I dont fault them. My 1998 325i convertible that I drive maybe 2-3 times a month shouldn't cost me $260 bucks for two years.

 

[Gilligan]

Yeah, the crackdown, as fart as I could tell was people using it to use older trucks for commercial purposes. Every single case I heard of where someone was nailed for it turned out to be someone with a 1985 full size truck or van loaded down with ladders and/or drywall.

Both of the cases I'm aware of did involve a late 70s full size truck and van. Neither was commercially used but both fairly regularly driven to work. It was the latter use that got nailed.

I had permanent Historic plate on my '47 Harley...and am using a Historic plate on my '59 TR3.

 

[mdff21]

which brings up another discussion which should probably start a new thread. I've said it before - too much productivity is lost in this county when there is an accident, any type of accident, because the first thing that Fire & Rescue and LEO want to do is shut down the road COMPLETELY!

We talk a lot about policies and failures of the state of California, but one thing I learned when traveling around the state 2 weeks ago is that they do what ever it takes to keep traffic moving (yes I understand they have a lot of traffic but it's all relative IMO). Accidents are pushed to the side of the road and traffic keeps moving the best it can. Google, FB, Apple - they need their employees being productive. Not sure if that's part of the reason that California tries to keep it's traffic moving, but I think we need to steal a page from them when it comes to accident clean up.

Or is it we don't care because a large part of our workforce is taxpayer funded? Either way, the trickle down effect of closing the road for any type of accident should be avoided as much as possible.

Sure, just push the cars off the road with the injured people inside then work to save their lives. The roads are blocked or shutdown so that the rescue workers can safely work around the incident. The term used is "blocking" block the area around the scene so that the rubber-neckers can't look at what is going on instead of where they are going. There have been too many emergency vehicles run into at accident scenes that were doing the blocking. The rescue workers were saved by that firetruck blocking the scene. Go up on the beltways, they block many lanes. They will take a tractor drawn ladder truck and place it across 2 to 3 lanes, to protect the crews.

 

[TPD]

at approximately 6:15 a.m., police fire, and rescue personnel were dispatched

Firefighters cut the driver door off and extricated her in under 5 minutes.

performed a “dash-roll” to free him. Extrication was completed in under 25 minutes.

UPDATE: @ 8:40 AM Patuxent Beach road is re-open

We investigate too much - road closed for approximately 2hrs (based on info from BayNet & SMNews) for 30 minute extrication.

 

[RoseRed]

We investigate too much - road closed for approximately 2hrs (based on info from BayNet & SMNews) for 30 minute extrication.

I believe they have to do a full investigation of there is a chance it turns fatal.

 

[BernieP]

which brings up another discussion which should probably start a new thread. I've said it before - too much productivity is lost in this county when there is an accident, any type of accident, because the first thing that Fire & Rescue and LEO want to do is shut down the road COMPLETELY!

given that there is typically no room to route traffic safely around the site and allow first responders to work, they don't have much of a choice.
There are very few alternative routes to keep traffic moving, the through roads are all pretty well jammed during rush hour so if there is an alternative, it's backed up (think 5 instead of 235).
The emergency evacuation plan for St. Mary's and Southern Calvert is to shelter in place.