Rush: "Anybody other than Ron Paul...

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No offense, but I find it hard to differentiate between Hannity, Olbermann, Maddow, and Savage. Other than ideology, they all lie, or at least GROSSLY intentionally distort, in the hopes that people with the same ideology will listen to them and make them sponsor money.

None taken. They are entertainers. I listen for different points of views, but don't believe everything that I hear. I've learned to filter through the rubbish.

 

[PsyOps]

And if this was 1951 and 'Pearl Harbor truthers' felt FDR left our pants down and a GOP'er said "Well, I wouldn't go that far but..." then we'd all be on his side.

Better yet, if Clinton or Gore were potus on 9/11 not one of us would completely dismiss conspiracy talk out of hand. We'd all raise hell that they sat on their ass for 8 months and LET this happen because they were too busy with whatever while NOT paying enough attention to their primary responsibility. I have my doubts about TWA 800. Not that 'we' did it but, that we have not been told the truth. We all know the FBI was onto Atta and company.

Tell me that's not so. Show that you guys are simply THAT blind, THAT emotionally wrapped up in D vs. R.

You give me no credit at all. When the birther crap came out I completely dismissed it because there were no facts to support it. Just a bunch of kooks aimed at desperately trying to find something to get Obama out. When the whole Lewinski thing went down with Clinton I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, until the facts came out that he lied under oath. It wouldn’t have mattered to me if it was Clinton, Bush, or Tiny Tim; if you lie under oath you’ve broken the law and should be held accountable.

I’m interested in the facts Larry, and there are none to support that 911 was an inside job; so it wouldn’t matter to me who was in the WH. I do, however hold Clinton accountable for sitting on his ass for 8 years (remember the 1993 WTC bombing?) on the terrorist problem. Attack after attack and nothing; ONE OF THEM ON OUR OWN SOIL AND NOTHING!

One attack under Bush’s watch, 8 months into his presidency and he did something about it. One attack and that’s all it took for Bush to at least take the problem seriously. So I am convinced that if Gore were POTUS post 911 he would have sat on his ass for the next 8 years and did nothing. I would be little-worried about why 911 happened and more worried what his response would have been.

What you seem to be blind to is your history mysteriously stopped prior to anything 2001. When it comes to this sort of stuff – war and watching Americans senselessly die at the hands of terrorists – I don’t give one crap about D vs. R. When it comes to securing this country and defending it against a known enemy I don’t care what your label says, get the job done so we can get back to living normal lives again.

 

[Larry Gude]

What you seem to be blind to is your history mysteriously stopped prior to anything 2001. .

You give me no credit at all.

I am incessantly whining about everything prior to 9/11. The reasons why Bush should have acted, why Clinton should have acted, the origins of our problems with Iran. Good lord, I am the guy who thinks Woodrow Wilson is responsible for the greatest sin in the history of the western world!



I give you GREAT credit for having an engaged mind and being on an honest search for someone you can stomach for potus and I never doubt your intentions and motivations and interest in what is best for our nation.

 

[PsyOps]

You give me no credit at all.

I am incessantly whining about everything prior to 9/11. The reasons why Bush should have acted, why Clinton should have acted, the origins of our problems with Iran. Good lord, I am the guy who thinks Woodrow Wilson is responsible for the greatest sin in the history of the western world!

It was a rhetorical return You’re welcome.

I give you GREAT credit for having an engaged mind and being on an honest search for someone you can stomach for potus and I never doubt your intentions and motivations and interest in what is best for our nation.

Thank you.

 

[Larry Gude]

I have to say, I would more than likely completely dismiss, out of hand, that there was a consipiracy.

I'd say the same things I said about Bush - he should have known, and didn't. he should have had actionable intelligence, better policies in place already, and didn't.

Just saying.

See, here is the thing; conspiracies are quite often valid in that one happened but mostly wrong in WHY.

There was a conspiracy regarding JFK and it was a cover your ass conspiracy because it wouldn't do for the shee...err...the public to know the FBI had checked out Oswald and declared him a non threat. So, the answer? The Warren Commission came up with the separation between CIA and FBI. They can't talk thus it can't be one or the others fault if something gets missed. What could EVER gone wrong with that plan?

So, 9/11, we already know that the FBI was onto Atta company in plenty of time to have stopped it but, Gorelick and her memo put a stop to that. However, I do NOT believe that that was the end of it. I do not believe FBI and CIA just said "OK", packed up shop and forgot about it. I believe they continued to do what they could and may have even had increased warnings and fears as the fateful day approached but, knowing how bureaucracies tend to work, it had been addressed, sit down, shut up, and hope for the best.

I believe in my heart more than a few people sat in front of their TV's on 9/11 devastated at what they were watching knowing a good bit more about the details than we will ever be allowed to know and stuck, wanting to serve their nation and being prohibited from doing more.

There are all sorts of interesting thoughts that come to mind as to why Jamie Gorelick, of all people, was on the 9/11 Commission. She was there to protect the system. Not the truth.

And that is a conspiracy that has nothing to do with being an 'inside' job.

 

[PsyOps]

Seriously?

Lies about Paul authoring the newsletters.
Lies and distorts Paul's support of Israel and his "isolationist" foreign policy.
Lies about "vetting" the candidates. He has them on and simply asks for clarification from Romney, Newt, Bachman, Cain, Palin, but for two straight days trashes Paul over his newsletters before even asking him about them first.
Scheduled Paul on his radio show two days ago, then cancelled on Paul, then says last night Paul cancelled on him. Complete lie.
Lied after the debates in 07, said the only reason Paul was winning the fox news "texting" poll was because Paul supporters flooded the poll yet the software Fox used only allowed for one vote per telephone.

Those are just off the top of my head without even doing an internet search. I am sure there are plenty more in regards to other candidates and especially Obama.

I don't listen to Rush or O'Reilly so I won't comment on them. But it is crazy that you don't think Hannity doesn't distort the truth or flatly lies.

What about Hannity's connection with Neo-Nazi Hal Turner. Hannity lied and said he didn't know him. Then lied again and said he was just some guy running in NJ. Yet Hannity had him on his show numerous times and even gave him the direct number to call into his show any time. Turner said they were friends through the years.

How anyone can take him serious is beyond me.

 

[This_person]

See, here is the thing; conspiracies are quite often valid in that one happened but mostly wrong in WHY.

There was a conspiracy regarding JFK and it was a cover your ass conspiracy because it wouldn't do for the shee...err...the public to know the FBI had checked out Oswald and declared him a non threat. So, the answer? The Warren Commission came up with the separation between CIA and FBI. They can't talk thus it can't be one or the others fault if something gets missed. What could EVER gone wrong with that plan?

So, 9/11, we already know that the FBI was onto Atta company in plenty of time to have stopped it but, Gorelick and her memo put a stop to that. However, I do NOT believe that that was the end of it. I do not believe FBI and CIA just said "OK", packed up shop and forgot about it. I believe they continued to do what they could and may have even had increased warnings and fears as the fateful day approached but, knowing how bureaucracies tend to work, it had been addressed, sit down, shut up, and hope for the best.

I believe in my heart more than a few people sat in front of their TV's on 9/11 devastated at what they were watching knowing a good bit more about the details than we will ever be allowed to know and stuck, wanting to serve their nation and being prohibited from doing more.

There are all sorts of interesting thoughts that come to mind as to why Jamie Gorelick, of all people, was on the 9/11 Commission. She was there to protect the system. Not the truth.

And that is a conspiracy that has nothing to do with being an 'inside' job.

Fair enough. I think we'll never know all there is to know about it, and I'm okay with that. I think it insane to think our government was somehow complicit in it, and on that it seems we agree. And, I would find it equally insane whether it was Gore or Bush who was president at the time.

 

[Larry Gude]

Fair enough. I think we'll never know all there is to know about it, and I'm okay with that. I think it insane to think our government was somehow complicit in it, and on that it seems we agree. And, I would find it equally insane whether it was Gore or Bush who was president at the time.

I agree and disagree.

We won't, and don't need, to know 'everything'.

Our government was complicit in the severity of the damage at Pearl Harbor because it was KNOWN it was coming. Maybe not the hour nor day but, war with Japan was coming and they hit us, as I understand it, damn near exactly as we had figured they would. I don't believe for one second that all three of our carriers 'just happened' to be away. Tarranto was a full year before and carriers were then known to be THE key asset.

To some extent, the men and ships at Pearl were sacrificed. That doesn't make it an inside job or us complicit in our own losses. It was not practical to protect everything and everyone. However, we damn well could have been on much more of a war footing. More air patrols. More surface patrols. From that standpoint, I think, given the nature of the American people, had we scared off the Japanese, those who really wanted us in, and there were plenty, including the potus, well, this isn't hard to figure.

Same thing for 9/11. Inside job? No. Complicit? Anh.

 

[This_person]

I agree and disagree.

We won't, and don't need, to know 'everything'.

Our government was complicit in the severity of the damage at Pearl Harbor because it was KNOWN it was coming. Maybe not the hour nor day but, war with Japan was coming and they hit us, as I understand it, damn near exactly as we had figured they would. I don't believe for one second that all three of our carriers 'just happened' to be away. Tarranto was a full year before and carriers were then known to be THE key asset.

To some extent, the men and ships at Pearl were sacrificed. That doesn't make it an inside job or us complicit in our own losses. It was not practical to protect everything and everyone. However, we damn well could have been on much more of a war footing. More air patrols. More surface patrols. From that standpoint, I think, given the nature of the American people, had we scared off the Japanese, those who really wanted us in, and there were plenty, including the potus, well, this isn't hard to figure.

There was a recommendation for more air patrols - and we didn't do it!!!

Of course, it would have taken 7 times the number of planes and pilots that we actually had at the time, but....

Same thing for 9/11. Inside job? No. Complicit? Anh.

If you mean complicit by lack of actionable knowledge, i agree. If you mean complicit in that we did nothing to deter once we knew stuff was coming, I agree (like, for example, treating the previous terrorist attack on the WTS like a terrorist attack, or, bringing in bin Laden any of the times his head was offered, but someone else's head seemed more important to the pres at the time, etc). If you mean complicit in that we knew where, when, how, and sat out defending ourselves, I disagree.

 

[Larry Gude]

If you mean complicit in that we knew where, when, how, and sat out defending ourselves, I disagree.

Yup. I do NOT think that.

 

[Larry Gude]

Wow! You're so smart! I bet that if you have kids they're smart too!

Unspoken rule; leave kids out of it. ALWAYS. PERIOD.

 

[PsyOps]

Unspoken rule; leave kids out of it. ALWAYS. PERIOD.

So, all kidding aside...

 

[Baja28]

Unspoken rule; leave kids out of it. ALWAYS. PERIOD.

Your boy Paul doesn't follow that rule.

Watch this 6 minutes of Paul interview and say he isn't a kook with a straight face.

"We killed MILLIONS of Iraqi's", "I do not know who wrote that in MY newsletter."

You can listen to his view on Iran right here too. This was yesterday. Kook!

 

[FireBrand]

Kook!

When the 'lollipop guild' steps in, pay close attention to the munchkin dressed in green in the middle. I'm almost positive that it's Ron ! You can tell by the way he twists his mouth to one side !

 

[Larry Gude]

Your boy Paul doesn't follow that rule.

Watch this 6 minutes of Paul interview and say he isn't a kook with a straight face. You can listen to his view on Iran right here too. This was yesterday. Kook!

Out of simple respect for you because I consider you to be in intentions, if not so much in who you tend to think is doing or has done a good job for the nation, on the right side, is it fair to say you did not watch that clip?????

 

[Larry Gude]

When the 'lollipop guild' steps in, pay close attention to the munchkin dressed in green in the middle. I'm almost positive that it's Ron ! You can tell by the way he twists his mouth to one side !

Ah yes. Finally, some intelligent engagement with Paul on the issues.

 

[Baja28]

Out of simple respect for you because I consider you to be on the right side, is it fair to say you did not watch that clip?????

Of course I watched it. He stumbled through the tough questions. He seriously thinks Iran is of no threat whatsoever and he has no idea what is going out in his own newsletter and he backs the 911 truthers.

While I do see some good things about him, it's these and other snafu's that I can't get past.

Remember this is Hannity grilling him. Wait until the Dems start in. He'll go down like the Hindenburg.

 

[Larry Gude]

Of course I watched it. He stumbled through the tough questions. He seriously thinks Iran is of no threat whatsoever .

So, the fact that he said otherwise means you watched it but...let's try this; did you listen to it?

 

[FireBrand]

Ah yes. Finally, some intelligent engagement with Paul on the issues.

I'll agree with that !