Sarah Sanders Asked to Leave Restaurant

Sapidus

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As I posted in the other thread... it goes to what the intent of the 'maker' has.

The intent of a baker is to provide a wedding cake for a wedding. If the couple decide to use that cake for something else, that's not on the baker.
The intent of a gun manufacturer is to provide guns for defense. If someone decides to use it for another purpose, that's not on the manufacturer.


What about a cake the baker made just as a cake and the couple put a same sex wedding topper on it?

What about guns used to kill prey?

Are those different?


What about a cake made by a religious baker bought but through a 3rd party like grocery store or farmstand?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
What about a cake made by a religious baker bought but through a 3rd party like grocery store or farmstand?



:yawn:


Whataboutism


Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument,[1][2][3] which is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.[4][5][6] When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western world.[7][8][9]

The term "whataboutery" has been used in Britain and Ireland since the period of the Troubles (conflict) in Northern Ireland.[10][11][12] Lexicographers date the first appearance of the variant whataboutism to the 1990s[1][10] or 1970s,[13] while other historians state that during the Cold War, Western officials referred to the Soviet propaganda strategy by that term.[7][14] The tactic saw a resurgence in post-Soviet Russia, relating to human rights violations committed by, and criticisms of, the Russian government.[7][15][16] The technique received new attention during Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea and military intervention in Ukraine.[17][18] Usage of the tactic extended to Russian President Vladimir Putin and his spokesman, Dmitry Peskov.[19][20][21]

The Guardian deemed whataboutism, as used in Russia, "practically a national ideology".[22] Journalist Julia Ioffe wrote that "Anyone who has ever studied the Soviet Union" was aware of the technique, citing the Soviet rejoinder to criticism, And you are lynching Negroes, as a "classic" example of the tactic.[23] Writing for Bloomberg News, Leonid Bershidsky called whataboutism a "Russian tradition",[24] while The New Yorker described the technique as "a strategy of false moral equivalences".[25] Jill Dougherty called whataboutism a "sacred Russian tactic",[26][27] and compared it to the pot calling the kettle black.[28]
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
What about a cake the baker made just as a cake and the couple put a same sex wedding topper on it?

What about guns used to kill prey?

Are those different?


What about a cake made by a religious baker bought but through a 3rd party like grocery store or farmstand?

What about conjuring up every 'what about' in order to keep your failed argument alive?
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
What about a cake the baker made just as a cake and the couple put a same sex wedding topper on it?

What about guns used to kill prey?

Are those different?


What about a cake made by a religious baker bought but through a 3rd party like grocery store or farmstand?

All perfectly fine. Are you lost?
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
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This_person

Well-Known Member
So does that mean all these gun manufacturers are participating in school shootings and murder? Kinda sounds the same as providing a cake for a wedding.

See how stupid that sounds

Yes, your analogy does sound very stupid. It sounds very uninformed, or willfully ignorant of the arguments. See, the baker was willing to provide the cake, just not the artistic expression that goes with it for the ceremony involved. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been someone who asked a gun manufacturer to specifically modify, in an artistic fashion, a gun for the express purpose of "school shootings and murder". So, you're kind of talking apples and bowling balls here - not even in the same category.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
What about a cake the baker made just as a cake and the couple put a same sex wedding topper on it?

The baker involved offered exactly that. The couple refused.

What about guns used to kill prey?

Are those different?

Yes, those are different in that the gun would be used in a legal fashion that is not contrary to the gun manufacturer's express religious position, and the government would not force the gun maker to make the gun for those purposes.

What about a cake made by a religious baker bought but through a 3rd party like grocery store or farmstand?

Again, there would be no issue with this, as this was conceptually what the baker offered, and the couple refused.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member


 

3CATSAILOR

Well-Known Member
This goes along with the thread I started a while back.

I don't remember whether it was Sam or Vrai that pointed out leftists politics were their religion.

There were dozens of folks that were shipped around after the 2008 election to cover the EOP. Something that happens every time an election comes up or POTUS changes. And these diehard conservative's stepped up and did their job, giving 100% regardless of the politics.

And it's really looking like progressivism really is a mental disorder.

the support staff, waiters kitchen staff etc. will be the ones that most immediately suffer.
In Psychology they say that no less than 85% of the population are followers. That's back when I took Psychology a million years ago. Now it is said to be slightly above 90% AND getting worse, not better. It is easier for people to follow and do as they are told than to have an independent mind and question and make your own decisions. Most people like to be told what to do. I have received awards for Leadership in the past. But, why? All I did was question authority and then make my own decision. Some say, that is all you have to do. In reality it is more complicated than that. However, in the military, all they do is what they are told, even if it is wrong. I can explain Followers and Leaders some time. I can explain why in detail. But it would be quite lengthy.
 

WingsOfGold

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Good, did my best under several names to trash it on google reviews! :D
 
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