School starts way too early

[Cowgirl]

Why in the hell would you start the little kids before the big kids?

Lots of studies show high school aged kids need more sleep than anyone.

 

[White Buddah]

I see both sides. The first says I have to do it, so why not let the kids get used to it.
I get my kids in bed by 1000 at the latest, but they toss and turn until later.
Several years ago they changed the opening times for High School until after the middle school.
I wonder if this did anything?
Maybe starting times for HS at 900 am, MS at 800, ES at 700.

If anything at all, those starting times are completely backwards. The older one gets, more responsibility is put on them. They should start earlier in order to finish school, study, and get the responsibilities done. THEN worry about sleeping. If it's a late day here and there, well, welcome to LIFE! God forbid that parents seem mean and cruel while kids are in school. It is all preparation for what life is going to be like when the get older and have to start fending for themselves. Correction, SHOULD/BETTER BE fending for themselves. Not mooching off of people that do make livings and pay taxes.

 

[Cowgirl]

If anything at all, those starting times are completely backwards. The older one gets, more responsibility is put on them. They should start earlier in order to finish school, study, and get the responsibilities done. THEN worry about sleeping. If it's a late day here and there, well, welcome to LIFE! God forbid that parents seem mean and cruel while kids are in school. It is all preparation for what life is going to be like when the get older and have to start fending for themselves. Correction, SHOULD/BETTER BE fending for themselves. Not mooching off of people that do make livings and pay taxes.

Well if the big kids get start early, they get out early...which means they still have time to get all their shiat done and get to bed at a reasonable time.

 

[vbailey]

It seems to me the younger your child the earlier they wake up on their own any way. Try sleeping in on a Saturday morning with a first or second grader in your house, they are up at first Sun light. So why not let the younger ones go before the older ones, they are up before the teens any way.

 

[Chasey_Lane]

Lots of studies show high school aged kids need more sleep than anyone.

I just Googled and found this:

Between Birth-Six Months, children need 16-20 hours
Between Six-Twelve Months, children need 14-15 hours
Between Ages 1-3, children need 10-13 hours
Between Ages 3-10, children need 10-12 hours
Between Ages 11-12, children need about 10 hours
Teenagers need about 9 hours of sleep per night

 

[White Buddah]

Lots of studies show high school aged kids need more sleep than anyone.

Based on what??? There are studies out there that say we only need "X" amount of sleep while another contradicts that. I high school kids are active in sports, jobs, tutoring, whatever, they will be tire enough at night (decent time) to get sound sleep and be ready to "hit it again" tomorrow.
My study shows that I need 15 hours of sleep with 4 hours of relax time after work. This study was not paid for by the government or anyone. However I can't seem to get a job that pays what I make now by only working 5 hours a day...well less than that b/c of commuting.

 

[White Buddah]

Well if the big kids get start early, they get out early...which means they still have time to get all their shiat done and get to bed at a reasonable time.

Ok, you put what I said in a simplified statement. However, as we get older we get more responisibilty. That means more time to get stuff done. The more that gets done, more energy is spent, which means bedtime will be earlier resulting in more sleep.

 

[sockgirl77]

Well if the big kids get start early, they get out early...which means they still have time to get all their shiat done and get to bed at a reasonable time.

Older ones need more time in the afternoon/evenings for homework and such. :shrug:

 

[vbailey]

Most people never get enought sleep any way, unless you are retired. It seems every one I know is always tired and running. Our children are the same. I just don't know how to change it. It seems it's just Life!

 

[Cowgirl]

Ok, you put what I said in a simplified statement. However, as we get older we get more responisibilty. That means more time to get stuff done. The more that gets done, more energy is spent, which means bedtime will be earlier resulting in more sleep.

Yes, but starting school later means they get out later. :shrug: This means they'll most likely go to bed later.....so they might as well start early so they get out early.

 

[Cowgirl]

I just Googled and found this:

Between Birth-Six Months, children need 16-20 hours
Between Six-Twelve Months, children need 14-15 hours
Between Ages 1-3, children need 10-13 hours
Between Ages 3-10, children need 10-12 hours
Between Ages 11-12, children need about 10 hours
Teenagers need about 9 hours of sleep per night

I remember when I was in high school they talked about moving start times because of the amount of sleep teenagers need. They also said something about the hours of the day when teens work best. Something about they work best in the late morning. I remember it because at the time I was all for them starting later.


Really though, if they start early they get out early....which means they can get their homework done early and get to bed early. If they start later, they get out later, which pushes their whole schedule back. So, yes, they get to sleep later, but they still get the same amount of sleep. :shrug:

 

[Cowgirl]

This is what I was thinking of..... Should Teens Sleep In? New Choices in School Starting Times -

Many researchers contend that high schools should start later because most of the current school schedules interfere with teenage sleep patterns. Unlike those of adults, the sleep cycles of adolescents are relatively fixed and extremely difficult to change. In 1976, researchers at Stanford University began conducting a study that tested the ability of teenagers to adjust to earlier times. Although the students had to rise earlier, they could not get to sleep any earlier the night before. As a result, some students actually developed narcoleptic-like symptoms that made it very difficult for them to stay awake in school [2].

In order to avoid this problem, a teenager's brain typically needs to sleep from 11:00 pm to 8:00 am ([1; 2; 5; 6]). However, most high schools require students to be in class as early as 7:15 or 7:30 am. As a result, many adolescents simply do not have the opportunity to get enough rest. Advocates of moving the starting time of high schools to a later time say that doing so would give students adequate time to get the sleep they really need in order to do their best.

So I was wrong before when I said they needed more hours...but they needed specific sleep times.

 

[Cowgirl]

Here's another article about it....

School Start Time

 

[vbailey]

Maybe that is why Iam tired all the time, my body clock is not working with my schedule.

 

[sockgirl77]

As a teen I went to school and worked. There is no reason that a teen should not get their ass out of bed and off to school by 7am. :shrug:

 

[Cowgirl]

As a teen I went to school and worked. There is no reason that a teen should not get their ass out of bed and off to school by 7am. :shrug:

As did many, many other people. Maybe I just wasted my time by posting links to WHY it might be better for teens to sleep later.

 

[MMDad]

Here's another article about it....

School Start Time

You work agriculture on the Eastern Shore, right? Ask some of the older farmers what they think about teens not being able to get up early enough to milk, feed chickens, and do other chores in the morning.

When I was in ninth grade, I had to get up at 5 to attend seminary before going to school. I hated it, but it wasn't cruel. i just adjusted my bedtime accordingly.

Teens have been able to get up in the morning throughout history, but now all of a sudden it is wrong to ask them to get up and go to school. We don't make them do the milking first or anything. Why?

 

[vbailey]

Does any body see me?

 

[thebird]

Does any body see me?

I get ignored too! But I see you!!! Eh, we're the new kids on the block...what are ya gonna do?

 

[Cowgirl]

You work agriculture on the Eastern Shore, right? Ask some of the older farmers what they think about teens not being able to get up early enough to milk, feed chickens, and do other chores in the morning.

When I was in ninth grade, I had to get up at 5 to attend seminary before going to school. I hated it, but it wasn't cruel. i just adjusted my bedtime accordingly.

Teens have been able to get up in the morning throughout history, but now all of a sudden it is wrong to ask them to get up and go to school. We don't make them do the milking first or anything. Why?

I never said I think school start times should be changed. I got up early to go to school....and I used to work at 4 am to feed cows....I was out of school, but still young.

But I love the argument "this is the way we've always done it." There is new research coming out every day. I was simply posting it for others who think "there is no reason kids can't get out of bed early."