Secret Court allows NSA to continue bulk data collection

[glhs837]

That is what I call "owning them".

But metadata isn't words, it is a set of data containing the phone numbers of caller and recipient; the unique serial number of the phones involved; the time and duration of each phone call; and potentially the location of each of the participants when the call happened. None of your words are within that data set.

Nope, just the state of my life, who I'm talking to, where I'm at. Were it done with cameras, it would raise a hue and cry like you wouldn't believe. Again,legal, but wrong.

 

[BigBlue]

You have reading comprehension issues.

You're the one with mental issues if you think Snowden did you or anyone a favor ,he is a traitor and should die .

 

[Ken King]

Nope, just the state of my life, who I'm talking to, where I'm at. Were it done with cameras, it would raise a hue and cry like you wouldn't believe. Again,legal, but wrong.

The metadata doesn't tell them WHO you are calling only the number and unique serial number for you and whom you called, to find out WHO you are and WHO you called would require a warrant subject to judicial approval. And it isn't being done with cameras (as far as I know) so that isn't even a concern.

 

[GURPS]

I thought there were a couple of documented cases where NSA folks were caught doing just that. And I might be wrong on that. Sorry, but the all-seeing eye thing smacks of the STASI to me. "Sure,we dont need to know where all the citizens are 100% of the time, but lets go ahead and gather that data just in case..... " Same thing as ALPRs, just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

You're the one with mental issues if you think Snowden did you or anyone a favor ,he is a traitor and should die .

Some of us prefer our head OUT of the sand.

You're just someone who believes they need someone else to protect them and make tem feel safe at night. I get that.

 

[tblwdc]

Some of us prefer our head OUT of the sand.

You're just someone who believes they need someone else to protect them and make tem feel safe at night. I get that.

Evidently so do you. Have you ever served in the military?

 

[Gilligan]

You have reading comprehension issues.

Might be a by-product of his serious mental health issues.

 

[glhs837]

The metadata doesn't tell them WHO you are calling only the number and unique serial number for you and whom you called, to find out WHO you are and WHO you called would require a warrant subject to judicial approval. And it isn't being done with cameras (as far as I know) so that isn't even a concern.

Sorry, but thats' the crux of it. Gathering data you can only look at with a warrant isn't acceptable to me. I really prefer not the have a parental relationship with my govt. It pushes the line between citizen and subject a bit too much. And if that increases my personal risk level, I'm okay with that.

 

[Ken King]

Sorry, but thats' the crux of it. Gathering data you can only look at with a warrant isn't acceptable to me. I really prefer not the have a parental relationship with my govt. It pushes the line between citizen and subject a bit too much. And if that increases my personal risk level, I'm okay with that.

Isn't acceptable, huh? Simple solution, don't use a device or do an activity that would generate metadata, otherwise you will be subject to such collection. I like the idea of having that type of data available to further an investigation, with judicial oversight, should such data be needed and I have yet to see where the collection of data, data that you don't even own, has impacted anyone.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

The metadata doesn't tell them WHO you are calling only the number and unique serial number for you and whom you called, to find out WHO you are and WHO you called would require a warrant subject to judicial approval. And it isn't being done with cameras (as far as I know) so that isn't even a concern.

The NSA’s XKEYSCORE program, first revealed by The Guardian, sweeps up countless people’s Internet searches, emails, documents, usernames and passwords, and other private communications.

XKEYSCORE also collects and processes Internet traffic from Americans, though NSA analysts are taught to avoid querying the system in ways that might result in spying on U.S. data. Experts and privacy activists, however, have long doubted that such exclusions are effective in preventing large amounts of American data from being swept up. One document The Intercept is publishing today suggests that FISA warrants have authorized “full-take” collection of traffic from at least some U.S. web forums.

The system is not limited to collecting web traffic. The 2013 document, “VoIP Configuration and Forwarding Read Me,” details how to forward VoIP data from XKEYSCORE into NUCLEON, NSA’s repository for voice intercepts, facsimile, video and “pre-released transcription.” At the time, it supported more than 8,000 users globally and was made up of 75 servers absorbing 700,000 voice, fax, video and tag files per day.

The Guardian report noted that NSA itself refers to the program as its “widest reaching” system.

In February of this year, The Intercept reported that NSA and GCHQ hacked into the internal network of Gemalto, the world’s largest provider of cell phone SIM cards, in order to steal millions of encryption keys used to protect the privacy of cell phone communication. XKEYSCORE played a vital role in the spies’ hacking by providing government hackers access to the email accounts of Gemalto employees.

In March, the New Zealand Herald, in partnership with The Intercept, revealed that the New Zealand government used XKEYSCORE to spy on candidates for the position of World Trade Organization director general and also members of the Solomon Islands government.

These newly published documents demonstrate that collected communications not only include emails, chats and web-browsing traffic, but also pictures, documents, voice calls, webcam photos, web searches, advertising analytics traffic, social media traffic, botnet traffic, logged keystrokes, computer network exploitation (CNE) targeting, intercepted username and password pairs, file uploads to online services, Skype sessions and more.

The April 18, 2013 issue of the internal NSA publication Special Source Operations Weekly boasts that analysts were successful in using XKEYSCORE to obtain U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon’s talking points prior to a meeting with President Obama.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/01/nsas-google-worlds-private-communications/

All the leaked documents pertaining to these quotes are at the bottom of the link.

I wish it was just Metadata.

 

[Larry Gude]

how has this directly affected you ...

if you are not engaged in anything illegal ....

How do you look at the Constitution? As suggestions?

 

[glhs837]

Isn't acceptable, huh? Simple solution, don't use a device or do an activity that would generate metadata, otherwise you will be subject to such collection. I like the idea of having that type of data available to further an investigation, with judicial oversight, should such data be needed and I have yet to see where the collection of data, data that you don't even own, has impacted anyone.

Again, I shouldn't have to restrict my activities to keep my government from gathering surveillance data on me. Unless they have some suspicion that I'm engaged in bad activity, I should be safe from data gathering efforts. Your point ends with it being okay to put cameras in my house and mics under my bed, since it causes me no harm.... Harm isn't the point.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Again, I shouldn't have to restrict my activities to keep my government from gathering surveillance data on me. Unless they have some suspicion that I'm engaged in bad activity, I should be safe from data gathering efforts. Your point ends with it being okay to put cameras in my house and mics under my bed, since it causes me no harm.... Harm isn't the point.

Technically, most people don't "own" their homes, banks do. So any govt. surveillance should be ok there, you know, since you don't actually own it.

 

[This_person]

How do you look at the Constitution? As suggestions?

The point was being made due to the repeated questions in the same-sex marriage discussions of "how does their marriage affect yours? How does their being married affect you? Be specific" Again, it's a stupid question, and I believe Gurps was showing again how stupid the question is.

 

[tblwdc]

Technically, most people don't "own" their homes, banks do. So any govt. surveillance should be ok there, you know, since you don't actually own it.

I don't think the constitution says you have to own your home in order to be secure in it.

 

[Larry Gude]

The point was being made due to the repeated questions in the same-sex marriage discussions of "how does their marriage affect yours? How does their being married affect you? Be specific" Again, it's a stupid question, and I believe Gurps was showing again how stupid the question is.

Maybe it's just me. I see an enormous difference between some big gay wedding and me being presumed guilty.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

I don't think the constitution says you have to own your home in order to be secure in it.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

That hasn't stopped the NSA from spying on just about every American citizen without a warrant.

If the argument (from Ken King) is that you don't "own" your metadata, so it's ok, where does that reasoning stop? There's an expectation of privacy regarding many of the things scooped up under NSA programs.

 

[This_person]

Maybe it's just me. I see an enormous difference between some big gay wedding and me being presumed guilty.

I would agree. But, in terms of stupid questions in discussions and the anger and animosity that causes, tit = tat.

 

[Larry Gude]

I would agree. But, in terms of stupid questions in discussions and the anger and animosity that causes, tit = tat.

What does that help? I mean outside of a playground?

 

[This_person]

What does that help? I mean outside of a playground?

You're asking me like I asked the question :shrug: People are people, and when treated like crap they tend to respond in kind.