See if this boils your blood
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Bruzilla
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They're called Liberals.
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Bruzilla
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Railroad said:
You are.
I agree with Ken. You are indeed naive in this case.Railroad said:
It was probably my brother-in-law - black Jeep Liberty?
What does that mean, anyway - American Nationalism? What exactly are they trying to stop?
What does that mean, anyway - American Nationalism? What exactly are they trying to stop?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Yep...
...but before you get all excited let's be clear: Bush, in wanting democracy in Iraq and in wanting an ownership society to replace SS is engaing in CLASSIC liberalism.
Liberal; Generous, tolerant, favoring reforms.
As we used to know the word, a classic liberal is after equality of opportunity, promoting freedom whenever and where ever possible and would sooner DIE than the cops be the only ones with guns and, all around, emphasizing the individual.
Now, certainly W's stance against gay marriage is not very liberal but his major identity will come from Iraq and from Social Security. His massive expansion of medicaire is a rather liberal idea, in essence, government paying for much of healthcare.
MODERN liberalism is all about group identity and class warfare. See Dean, Kerry, Schumer Daschle et al. They don't have a progressive bone or idea in their bodies. They are a system, the keepers of the spoils system 30 years of hyper sensitivity has bastardized and morphed and beauractized ML Kings 'I have a Dream' speech.
That modern 'liberal' Democrats fought tooth and nail to keep LIBERAL DEMOCRACY from the Middle East is to their eternal shame.
...but before you get all excited let's be clear: Bush, in wanting democracy in Iraq and in wanting an ownership society to replace SS is engaing in CLASSIC liberalism.
Liberal; Generous, tolerant, favoring reforms.
As we used to know the word, a classic liberal is after equality of opportunity, promoting freedom whenever and where ever possible and would sooner DIE than the cops be the only ones with guns and, all around, emphasizing the individual.
Now, certainly W's stance against gay marriage is not very liberal but his major identity will come from Iraq and from Social Security. His massive expansion of medicaire is a rather liberal idea, in essence, government paying for much of healthcare.
MODERN liberalism is all about group identity and class warfare. See Dean, Kerry, Schumer Daschle et al. They don't have a progressive bone or idea in their bodies. They are a system, the keepers of the spoils system 30 years of hyper sensitivity has bastardized and morphed and beauractized ML Kings 'I have a Dream' speech.
That modern 'liberal' Democrats fought tooth and nail to keep LIBERAL DEMOCRACY from the Middle East is to their eternal shame.
Does this mean no one else knows what "American nationalism" means, either?
Spoiled
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I think its a cheap jab at saying people are taking it above patriotism to near what Hitler did with german nationalism... I dont agree with it but i think thats what they are trying to say? Like bush is making americans the superior to all people and saying we need to spread out superiority?vraiblonde said:
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Bruzilla
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vraiblonde said:What does that mean, anyway - American Nationalism? What exactly are they trying to stop?
Nationalism means many things. First it's the belief that your nation is superior to all others... which it is.
Second, it can be a profound sense of pride and love for your country, which should not be confused with patriotism, which is support for your government. Signs of rampant nationalism can be physical, such as flying the flag, wearing flag pins, having rallys, etc. The can also be more high-level (which is what I guess this bumper sticker is addressing) such as believing that your nation's way of doing things is better than anyone elses, and that the world would be better off if everyone lived like us.
How can you compare any of this with Hitler? Hitler sought domination through attack and conquer, whereas the Bush Doctrine (AKA American nationalism) is one of holding other nations to internationally agreed upon standards of conduct while preserving our right to act in our own self interest upon being threatened or assaulted.Spoiled said:
He didn't - he was just saying that others do, which is true.Ken King said:
Well, it is and it would be - so I guess I'm an American nationalist.Bruzilla said:
Larry Gude
Strung Out
It never ceases to amaze me...
...how differently people see things.
Following up on what Ken is saying, if we were even remotely Hitlerarian or Stalanist, or Romanist for that matter, we would OWN AND RUN THE WHOLE SHOW.
It would be the United States of the World. We would be in the middle of a new age of global domination and superiority Rome thought they achieved but could never begin to dream of where we COULD be...if we wanted to.
HELLO asshats. It's NOT WHAT WE DO. We did not colonize Germany or Japan after WWII. We don't want a US state of Iraq. We want the end of tyranny.
We want to do business with you, not own you. If we wanted to own you...
WE WOULD
...how differently people see things.
Following up on what Ken is saying, if we were even remotely Hitlerarian or Stalanist, or Romanist for that matter, we would OWN AND RUN THE WHOLE SHOW.
It would be the United States of the World. We would be in the middle of a new age of global domination and superiority Rome thought they achieved but could never begin to dream of where we COULD be...if we wanted to.
HELLO asshats. It's NOT WHAT WE DO. We did not colonize Germany or Japan after WWII. We don't want a US state of Iraq. We want the end of tyranny.
We want to do business with you, not own you. If we wanted to own you...
WE WOULD
