SF POLICE tell it like it is
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Larry Gude
Strung Out
Be nice to have some detail...
...so we know what the hell happened.
http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_207091013.html
I thought, from the video, that they'd shot the officer.
The driver of the van should get a death sentence out of this and cops need more tools to deal with the epidemic of criminals fleeing in vehicles. It's dangerous for the cops and innocent bystanders and property.
If San Franciscans and their judges don't want cops chasing anyone they need to let the officers know. The bad guys would appreciate that.
bdh802 said:
...so we know what the hell happened.
http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_207091013.html
I thought, from the video, that they'd shot the officer.
The driver of the van should get a death sentence out of this and cops need more tools to deal with the epidemic of criminals fleeing in vehicles. It's dangerous for the cops and innocent bystanders and property.
If San Franciscans and their judges don't want cops chasing anyone they need to let the officers know. The bad guys would appreciate that.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Also...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/27/MNG1KK6DRB1.DTL&hw=pursuit&sn=007&sc=298
Read the article. There's some legitimate concerns about procedures in this story but that is a seperate issue.
The kid out on bond had no business on the streets.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/27/MNG1KK6DRB1.DTL&hw=pursuit&sn=007&sc=298
Read the article. There's some legitimate concerns about procedures in this story but that is a seperate issue.
The kid out on bond had no business on the streets.
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
Larry Gude said:
While I don't trust any government with the death penalty power, Larry is exactly right about the culpability of the driver and the tools for police officers. I can understand the temptation of cops to engage in high-speed chases, because of the PR value and the adrenaline rush.
(Dumb idea: If I were writing an action movie, I would have police helicopters armed with air-to-ground guided missiles to take out criminals fleeing in vehicles. )
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Not a dumb idea...
...how many years ago did the idea of dash mounted cameras sound far fetched? It is not too much to develop a, perhaps, wire guided, computer controlled, appropriate sized munition capable of disabling a vehicle. Perhaps it's some sort of electric burst that fry's the vehicles electrical system? Perhaps it is deisgned to pierce the gas tank without causing an explosion thus stopping the car as it runs out of fuel?
Whatever, car mounted or air. Hell, helicopters always get a good shot, only it's with a camera.
Cops can not be expected to just let bad guys go. It is appropriate to be able to stop the vehicle. Otherwwise, it is a danger to the public.
Tonio said:
...how many years ago did the idea of dash mounted cameras sound far fetched? It is not too much to develop a, perhaps, wire guided, computer controlled, appropriate sized munition capable of disabling a vehicle. Perhaps it's some sort of electric burst that fry's the vehicles electrical system? Perhaps it is deisgned to pierce the gas tank without causing an explosion thus stopping the car as it runs out of fuel?
Whatever, car mounted or air. Hell, helicopters always get a good shot, only it's with a camera.
Cops can not be expected to just let bad guys go. It is appropriate to be able to stop the vehicle. Otherwwise, it is a danger to the public.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
I think EMP is the way to go, who cares if you disable twenty cars in the vicinity, pay to fix them after the fact, but make sure you hit the felons with a big enough pulse to disable their car.
But first and foremost, stop them before they kill someone. Run them off the road, shoot them, I don't care.. innocent people don't need to die because some criminal running from the cops hits them at 90 miles an hour. Just as cops are justified in shooting a driver when they try to run over a cop, the cops should be justified to take them out when they pass the first family while trying to run.
But first and foremost, stop them before they kill someone. Run them off the road, shoot them, I don't care.. innocent people don't need to die because some criminal running from the cops hits them at 90 miles an hour. Just as cops are justified in shooting a driver when they try to run over a cop, the cops should be justified to take them out when they pass the first family while trying to run.
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
Larry Gude said:
Agreed. Cops need better tools for stopping fleeing criminals. Thanks partly to action movies and TV cop shows, the high-speed chase has a macho image it doesn't deserve, with officers using their big, powerful engines to subdue their prey. The cop is supposed to protect public safety, not demonstrate his virility.
chernmax
NOT Politically Correct!!
The Media can be total oblivion's at times...
I still remember after 9-11 when we where spanking the sh!t out of the Taliban in Afghanistan and a news reporter asked Donald Rumsfeld.
Reporter: Mr Rumsfeld, don't you think we should ease up a little on our relentless attacks against the Taliban because it may infuriate them and they might want to attack us again here...
Mr Rumsfeld: "Sheepish laugh", you're kidding right? In what way do you think we will infuriate them as opposed to already being mad enough to fly hijacked planes full of fuel and killing over 3000 of our citizens, if we where to use your analogy, then it would be like we keep feeding the alligator in the hopes he eats us last!!!
Insert dumb look on reporters face...
I still remember after 9-11 when we where spanking the sh!t out of the Taliban in Afghanistan and a news reporter asked Donald Rumsfeld.
Reporter: Mr Rumsfeld, don't you think we should ease up a little on our relentless attacks against the Taliban because it may infuriate them and they might want to attack us again here...
Mr Rumsfeld: "Sheepish laugh", you're kidding right? In what way do you think we will infuriate them as opposed to already being mad enough to fly hijacked planes full of fuel and killing over 3000 of our citizens, if we where to use your analogy, then it would be like we keep feeding the alligator in the hopes he eats us last!!!
Insert dumb look on reporters face...
bdh802
Bob
Tonio said:
What's the matter Tonio? Did an officer use his big bad powerful engine to pull you over to issue you a seat belt ticket?
"The cop is supposed to protect public safety." Well, here is the problem....
1)Cop chases bad guy, bad guy wrecks and hurts someone else or
2)Cop doesn't chase bad guy, lets him get away, only for the bad guy to commit another crime.
Either way police get blamed for doing the wrong thing. Thanks to blood sucking lawyers and the media, the good guys can't win.
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
bdh802 said:
I was trying to make a Freudian joke. This would also apply to the criminals in the high-speed chases. Some of them certainly WANT to be chased, due to some delusional Bonnie & Clyde ego-trip.
bdh802 said:
I'm saying there should be a third choice...
3) Cop uses missileor other device to stop bad guy's car, avoiding a chase which may kill or hurt innocent people.
bdh802
Bob
Tonio said:
I undastan' now, I think. Some cars today have ONSTAR which allows Chevy to find your car and unlock your car remotely. Maybe someday in the future, similar devices will be installed that will disable cars remotely. If you are running from the PoPo or steal a car, you won't get very far. The technology is there but I'm sure it will be a hard thing to get done. It would be one of those big brother is watching things. Government can do what to my car?
S
slaphappynmd
Guest
vraiblonde said:I don't blame the guy - how would you like to be a cop in a libby area? Doing your job to help keep the residents safe, risking your life for theirs, and the local media gets all excited about whether a cop followed procedure rather than the recidivist criminal that killed him?
Cops are SUPPOSED to chase criminals - that's why we got them. Now the "progressives" want to pass laws so cops CAN'T chase criminals because somebody might get hurt.
The world just gets crazier and crazier.
I am all for police and the job that they do. But what gets to me is when I see them on the side of the road (groups of them) running radar. Why aren't they patrolling trying to keep an eye out and preventing crime. The crime rate isn't going down any, and pulling person after person off the road for speeding isn't helping. No I do not think speeding should be legal, but I think the police could spend their time a little better than that.
Because if they run across some crime being committed, there might be an altercation. Then the cop will be roundly criticized in the media and possibly sued, and the criminal will go scot-free.slaphappynmd said:
So they'll have backups to keep up the chase when the cops start wrecking into things and going off into ditches.Dickinsmd said:
Didn't you see Smokey and the Bandit?
Toxick said:
