OccamsRazor
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Not necessarily true. There are mixed-gender troops. They stipulate that there must be at least 1 or more female leaders (Scout Leader for troop can be male or female) and, of course, some things are done separately.
She should now stand by
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Solution:
Men's League.
Women's League.
Trans-League.
I would say bust Trans-men and Trans-women into separate categories, but I guess that defeats the whole purpose of a nonbinary league. And I think it would be fun as hell to watch a Chyna looking trans-woman kick the ever-loving piss out of a Richard Simmons looking trans-dude.
Men's League.
Women's League.
Trans-League.
I would say bust Trans-men and Trans-women into separate categories, but I guess that defeats the whole purpose of a nonbinary league. And I think it would be fun as hell to watch a Chyna looking trans-woman kick the ever-loving piss out of a Richard Simmons looking trans-dude.
I saw in the 90's when my oldest was in the GS, they were going full on feminist tree hugging environmentalist
LightRoasted
If I may ...
For your consideration ...
Say whaaat? Was not saying that girls are trying to be boys, other than to infiltrate and denature the Boy Scouts of America. Well that is/was just tough shiat for your daughter then that the Girl Scouts made her bored. Maybe if someone, groups of parents, protested to change the Girl Scouts atmosphere and culture things would have changed for the better. The Girl Scouts could have changed, but they didn't want to. Instead they were lazy. Maybe you, instead, as a father, should have raised and taught her the things that the Girl Scouts would not. You know, camping skills, survival skills, etc.? Instead, you took the easy way out.
Boys need developmental time with their peers and men in leadership roles away from the distraction of girls.
But nooooo. Feminists, and lazy mothers and fathers, forced/pressured the Boy Scouts of America to accept girls. Lawsuits were filed against the BSA because it was said they were discriminating against girls by not allowing them to join the Boy Scouts of America.
One reason that I refuse to buy or eat any Girl Scout cookies. In addition to those cookies having unhealthy inflammation producing seed oils and preservatives.
Say whaaat? Was not saying that girls are trying to be boys, other than to infiltrate and denature the Boy Scouts of America. Well that is/was just tough shiat for your daughter then that the Girl Scouts made her bored. Maybe if someone, groups of parents, protested to change the Girl Scouts atmosphere and culture things would have changed for the better. The Girl Scouts could have changed, but they didn't want to. Instead they were lazy. Maybe you, instead, as a father, should have raised and taught her the things that the Girl Scouts would not. You know, camping skills, survival skills, etc.? Instead, you took the easy way out.
Boys need developmental time with their peers and men in leadership roles away from the distraction of girls.
But nooooo. Feminists, and lazy mothers and fathers, forced/pressured the Boy Scouts of America to accept girls. Lawsuits were filed against the BSA because it was said they were discriminating against girls by not allowing them to join the Boy Scouts of America.
One reason that I refuse to buy or eat any Girl Scout cookies. In addition to those cookies having unhealthy inflammation producing seed oils and preservatives.
SamSpade
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Yes, I’m familiar. And in Cub Scouts those are sometimes called “family groups”. They’re great and well suited for small packs and Cub leaders with both small boys and girls.
I’m glad you know about them. I’ve had quite a lot of experience over the past few years - and with Girl Scouts separately as well.
If there’s an argument to be made, I might complain that BSA is “stealing” from Girl Scouts to buttress their flagging numbers although they had a great year LAST year. Or that Girl Scouts spend far too much energy as a cookie company (not joking).
SamSpade
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Dude, you don’t know anything about me or any of the outdoor adventures I’ve had with my girls. I could list them but it looks like you’ve judged me already.
So you get to join the proud ranks of jerks like SMC in my ignore file. I’m done.
(Plonk)
LightRoasted
If I may ...
For your consideration ...
Can't hold your own huh? Feeling guilty? Aww man. In the corner again? Must have hurt his fweelings. And if you indeed had outdoor adventures with your girls, then there would have been no need for them to go into the Boy Scouts. By allowing them/her to join the Boys Scouts, you abdicated the responsibility, the eons of societal ideals, to keep boys and girls programs separate that allow each child to develop within their own gender, without any interference of the opposite sex.
Can't hold your own huh? Feeling guilty? Aww man. In the corner again? Must have hurt his fweelings. And if you indeed had outdoor adventures with your girls, then there would have been no need for them to go into the Boy Scouts. By allowing them/her to join the Boys Scouts, you abdicated the responsibility, the eons of societal ideals, to keep boys and girls programs separate that allow each child to develop within their own gender, without any interference of the opposite sex.
OccamsRazor
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My niece was in GS for about 1 season. Got tired of learning only about flowers, arts and craft projects, and primarily focused on selling cookies.
SamSpade
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That was my girl's experience too, although they are both very different - the entire outdoors aspect appeals much more to my older daughter.
When I mentioned this to other Girl Scout parents, they said that all troops are different - some focus on what you mentioned, others are more "scout-like" but appear to be rare. When I went with them and helped them with their projects and they did their presentation at the fairgrounds - yeah - mostly crafts and cultural stuff.
I've done extensive stuff with both of them but younger girl just doesn't want it. And they both react the way all kids react - if they're not making friends, the experience has no attraction for them. My older girl wanted to do stuff with friends - when the friends left, she left. AND - they have different talents. Older girl is the athlete - younger girl is very skilled with her hands.
Neither experience in Scouting holds what they want, and I am fine with that. My SON has really excelled in Scouts, even with his disability. I don't think anything else has helped him more in building confidence, leadership and social skills, strength, stamina and maturity. When he was small, he was afraid of everything. I worry now that he's probably afraid of NOTHING.
Clem72
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We had mixed scouting for decades. Hell my Sea Scouts unit had several girls in it in the 60s.
I bet the decline may have more to do with them not allowing the kids to be on their phones the entire time. What, I have to go outside? There's bugs out there.
SamSpade
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I haven't seen that. For one, they've been dropping in numbers now for decades. It peaked in the late 60's, began to grow again after a nosedive in the 70's - and since about 1990 they've been dropping again.
For another, while there's ample ANECDOTAL information - that is, you might find someone who said oh we stopped going when they brought girls in - the data doesn't show anything like it, and I haven't met anyone who has said that. I've also yet to see a mixed troop of Boy Scouts - Cub Scouts, yes. So far, the girl troops seem to be rather proud of holding their own.
At their peak, BSA had around 6 million members back in the late 60's/early 70's. By 2000 it was closer to 4 million. Before the pandemic, it was under 2 million, and it's under 1 million now. So there's been a trend of loss for a long time. After the pandemic, there's been a small bump upward, but I think that's strictly because of the pandemic ending - the TREND is still downward.
I've also noticed - this is somewhat true across the board for a lot of organizations. 4-H is losing membership - fraternal organizations are, too, as are churches.
I'm not sure what is happening, but Americans are leaving these sorts of social groups.
SamSpade
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I forgot about that - Venturers had girls in them when I was in, in the 70's.
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Just sneakin' around....
I've seen it too. My thought is that the groups existed to promote social interaction with like-minded people. Today, that's all done with social media. No need to dedicate hours of personal time, no need to buy expensive uniforms. A few minutes here and there on your phone keeps you in touch.
SamSpade
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And I think you're hitting on some of it. When I was a kid - playing in the woods or the cornfield and climbing trees and playing pickup sports - or even games we made up - was what we did. When mom called us for dinner - we were outside. After dinner, we could play until dark. But sometimes we were out if we were playing flashlight tag.
I noticed less and less of this when I was with kids - as a young adult - in the 80's and 90's. Video games? Computers? Scared parents? I don't know. But it's been going on at least, since then.
OccamsRazor
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If I had to point to a single reason for this it would be... parental LAZINESS.
When my kid was at an open house in a local Elementary school, the BSA had a table out for recruitment at the school. Many kids dragged their parents to the table with interest. Overhearing some conversations between the Scout leader and parents, I would hear the same thing:
Leader: "We have many activities and opportunities for your son/daughter in Scouts."
Parent: "What is MY involvement?"
Leader: "We ask that you accompany your son/daughter to meetings and participate with your son/daughter in events."
Parent: "So, I can't drop off my kid to meetings and go about my day?"
Leader: "All Scouts have to be accompanied by an adult parent, guardian, or another trusted adult."
Parent: "Lets go. We will get back to you."
As soon as the parent found out that they would have to give some level of effort and be involved in their kids activity, they turned in to vapor.
SamSpade
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My wife's family has always been involved with the several organizations with respect to Masons - Eastern Star, Job's Daughters, Demolay - and of course, the Masons themselves. I read a stat once that said in the 1800's, easily one in seven men in this country was a Mason. Not so much now.
Noticed similar flagging interest in all the other major ones - Lions, Rotary, Kiwanis, Elks, Moose. Just not bringing them in. A shame. They're fun and they don't cost a lot.
PeoplesElbow
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More distractions, video games, internet, smart phones and then there were the child molestation issues. All of that contributed.
