SMO: Closing Church on Sunday 4 Christmas...

Qurious

Im On 1.
I thought Jesus was the reason for the season? :eyebrow:

I Heard that the other day -- most ridiculous thing I've heard in along time. So because Christmas falls on a Sunday this year, the Church is supposed to be closed??

Makes you finally realize what Christmas is all about....CERTAINLY NOT JESUS....
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
:shrug: Our church is open, and our pastor is extremely excited about being able to worship together on Christmas morning. I think he said it's been 10 years since Christmas fell on a Sunday.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Our church is open, too. Sunday, 11:00 AM. Come celebrate the joy of Christmas with us. Everyone is welcome. Even if you never go to a regular service, are or are not part of a congregation, come celebrate.

I know many churches are closing because Christmas is on Sunday. If your church does, you might want to find a new church. It would seem that the pastor or church directors have lost the reason for gathering for worship and the true meaning of the Christmas season.
 

Qurious

Im On 1.
2ndAmendment said:
I know many churches are closing because Christmas is on Sunday. If your church does, you might want to find a new church. It would seem that the pastor or church directors have lost the reason for gathering for worship and the true meaning of the Christmas season.

This isn't the first time I heard this today :yay:

Why would you want to belong to a church that shuts down on the day Jesus was "supposedly" born....

Thats the devils work. :yay:
 

PJay

Well-Known Member
Qurious said:
Why would you want to belong to a church that shuts down on the day Jesus was "supposedly" born....

Thats the devils work. :yay:

Good question, and ditto.

We really do not know when Jesus was born..correct? I wish we did, I rather rejoice in the actual day...*sigh*
 

terbear1225

Well-Known Member
Homesick said:
Good question, and ditto.

We really do not know when Jesus was born..correct? I wish we did, I rather rejoice in the actual day...*sigh*


so do I, then we could move christmas to a different day and I could have my birthday all to myself (or at least only have to share with my brother!)
 

Qurious

Im On 1.
Homesick said:
Good question, and ditto.

We really do not know when Jesus was born..correct? I wish we did, I rather rejoice in the actual day...*sigh*

The bible describes the weather...it certainly was not in December....
 

SAHRAB

This is fun right?
Qurious said:
The bible describes the weather...it certainly was not in December....

Its supposed to be 53 here this weekend. i'm sure the weather around, Jerusalem being closer to the equator, is/was alot different
 

PJay

Well-Known Member
Qurious said:
The bible describes the weather...it certainly was not in December....

Yeah. I read some guessing September 29th? Then other guesses aswell. I hate all the guessing stuff.

Happy Birthday IA, terbear! Wouldn't have bothered me any to have been born on the same day as Jesus.....nor the year, actually.
 

camily

Peace
Our church is open and we are also happy to be able to attend. Saturday night there is a candle lit service, but we go to my Grandma's every Christmas Eve so we can't make it.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
It's my understanding that most churches have a service on Christmas regardless of what day it falls on. Is that not true? :confused:
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
vraiblonde said:
It's my understanding that most churches have a service on Christmas regardless of what day it falls on. Is that not true? :confused:

I heard that the Synagogues and Mosques will be closed. Not very Christian is it?
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
The day of Jesus' birth is not recorded. Many believe the actual day was the 25th but what month is not known nor is the calendar used; Hebrew or Julian. Some believe it was in September. Other believe it was in the Spring. It really is not important. I did find this.
Christmas History

Actually, Christmas was a movable feast and was celebrated many different times during the year. Not until Pope Julius I in the 4th century AD choose December 25th because it coincided with the Pagan rituals of Winter Solstice or "Return of the Sun". The purpose was to replace the Pagan celebration with the Christian one.

11 days were dropped from the year in 1752, when we switched from the Julian Calendar to the Gregorian Calendar. The date, December 25th was effectively moved backwards by 11 days. Some Christian Church Sects, called the "Calendarists", still celebrate Christmas on January 7th (previously December 25th of the Julian calendar).
So, the actual date, is nebulous. Here is some background.
http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm

A few years ago, I was in a synagogue, and I overheard one man ask another, "When is Chanukkah this year?" The other man smiled slyly and replied, "Same as always: the 25th of Kislev." This humorous comment makes an important point: the date of Jewish holidays does not change from year to year. Holidays are celebrated on the same day of the Jewish calendar every year, but the Jewish year is not the same length as a solar year on the Gregorian calendar used by most of the western world, so the date shifts on the Gregorian calendar.
This date is approximate Dec 25 of 0001 on the Gregorian calendar (it wasn't used until sixteenth century) is about 23 Tevet 3762 on the Jewish calendar. This does not take into account the 10 day correction that was introduced by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582. I guess that would make it 13 Tevet 3762.

For those interested, here are a couple of references on the conversion from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_Calendar
Lilius originally proposed that the 10 day correction should be implemented by deleting the Julian leap day on each of its ten occurrences during a period of 40 years, thereby providing for a gradual return of the equinox to 21 March. However, Clavius's opinion was that the correction should take place in one move and it was this advice which prevailed with Gregory. Accordingly, when the new calendar was put in use, the error accumulated in the 13 centuries since the Council of Nicaea was corrected by a deletion of ten days. The last day of the Julian calendar was 4 October 1582 and this was followed by the first day of the Gregorian calendar 15 October 1582. Nevertheless, the dates "5 October 1582" to "14 October 1582" (inclusive) are still valid in virtually all countries because even most Roman Catholic countries did not adopt the new calendar on the date specified by the bull, but months or even years later (the last in 1587).
The reason for the difference between 11 and 10 days is:


The Gregorian Calendar

The Gregorian Calendar is a revision of the Julian Calendar which was instituted in a papal bull by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582. The reason for the calendar change was to correct for drift in the dates of significant religious observations (primarily Easter) and to prevent further drift in the dates.

The important effects of the change were:


  • Drop 10 days from October 1582, to realign the Vernal Equinox with 21 March
  • Change leap year selection so that not all years ending in "00" are leap years.
  • Change the beginning of the year to 1 January from 25 March
Despite a frequently repeated factoid these days, there is no special treatment of years which are divisible by 4000. The main aspect that gets any attention these days is the leap year rule. The change in the number frequency of leap years (by dropping 3 every 400 years) slightly changes the average year length to something closer to reality.

Adoption of the new calendar was essentially immediate within Catholic countries. In the Protestant countries, where papal authority was neither recognized not appreciated, adoption came more slowly.

England finally adopted the new calendar in 1752, with eleven days removed from September. The additional day came because the old and new calendars disagreed on whether 1700 was a leap year, so the Julian calendar had to be adjusted by one more day.

The Gregorian year length gives an error of one day in approximately 3,225 years.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
vraiblonde said:
It's my understanding that most churches have a service on Christmas regardless of what day it falls on. Is that not true? :confused:
Many churches have announced that they will not have services on Sunday because it is Christmas. :duh:
 

DD214

Member
I guess many Christians have forgotten that Christmas = Christ's Mass, and holiday = Holy Day. If this trend continues, Christmas may go the way of Candlemas, Childermas, and Michaelmas for many Christian groups.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
DD214 said:
I guess many Christians have forgotten that Christmas = Christ's Mass, and holiday = Holy Day. If this trend continues, Christmas may go the way of Candlemas, Childermas, and Michaelmas for many Christian groups.
Not being Catholic, English, or Scottish, I would not have celebrated Candlemas, Childermas, and Michaelmas.

I would beg to differ on one point. It is not Christians that forget that Christmas is the celebration of Christ's birth. Many may forget, some that call themselves Christian because that is what their parents or grandparents were, some who may even be ministers, some who even go to church, but real Christians do not forget.

It is prophesied that many will fall away from faith in God before Christ returns. It will continue to happen. Open persecution of those that celebrate Christ's Mass has happened, is happening, and will happen.
 

aps45819

24/7 Single Dad
Qurious said:
I Heard that the other day -- most ridiculous thing I've heard in along time. So because Christmas falls on a Sunday this year, the Church is supposed to be closed??....
I've managed to compile a list of some of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a long time.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
aps45819 said:
I've managed to compile a list of some of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a long time.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Great one, aps!


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