So Liberals, here you go, explain away.

[Larry Gude]

The House did do what we the people requested and they did vote to repeal the ACA (HR 6079). How can you blame the House for the Senate not considering the measure? Maybe you should uncross your eyes (or maybe get some new glasses) so that you can see the prize.

Are you suggesting they did all they could do? Are you suggesting they could not have done more? Or simply were not willing to do more?

The ACA is a ground breaking high water mark in terms of federal control over we, the people. It compels us to buy a product. How far off is the Affordable Housing Act? The Affordable Food Act? The Affordable Clothing Act? The Affordable X Act?

This is a desperate, extreme measure and it calls for desperate, extreme measures to stop it. The President BROKE the rules and engaged in the most partisan, vulgar politics of this, or any, age to pass it on absolute partisan lines. You CAN'T do that and be legitimate. Not on major legislation. Pandora's box is open.

You are free to take the view they gave it a good try. I don't think they were sent there to try.

 

[Gilligan]

.... obviously the majority of the voting public is very much in favor of this effed up mess or they wouldn't have voted for it..

“Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.” (Mencken)

 

[Ken King]

Are you suggesting they did all they could do? Are you suggesting they could not have done more? Or simply were not willing to do more?

The ACA is a ground breaking high water mark in terms of federal control over we, the people. It compels us to buy a product. How far off is the Affordable Housing Act? The Affordable Food Act? The Affordable Clothing Act? The Affordable X Act?

This is a desperate, extreme measure and it calls for desperate, extreme measures to stop it. The President BROKE the rules and engaged in the most partisan, vulgar politics of this, or any, age to pass it on absolute partisan lines. You CAN'T do that and be legitimate. Not on major legislation. Pandora's box is open.

You are free to take the view they gave it a good try. I don't think they were sent there to try.

What can be done when the other chamber of Congress (the Senate) refuses to consider, let alone vote on, what has been proposed? The "prize" is getting full control of the legislature, then, and only then, can anything be accomplished with regard to a repeal.

 

[Larry Gude]

What can be done when the other chamber of Congress (the Senate) refuses to consider, let alone vote on, what has been proposed? The "prize" is getting full control of the legislature, then, and only then, can anything be accomplished with regard to a repeal.

Shut it down. Stop. Close the House for any and all business unless and until they get there way. Obama define the terms of the battle; any means necessary. The ACA has to, repeat, HAS TO go away or a new precedent is set. The longer something in DC sits, the more permanent it becomes. This is all a waste of time anyway. It is in. The GOP wants the ACA as much as Obama does. HUGE pork. But, as I say, I would MUCH rather be punched in the face by an opponent than stabbed in the back by a friend. So, the GOP will not do what they were sent to do. I see no reason to support them even more.

Simple.

 

[Larry Gude]

What can be done when the other chamber of Congress (the Senate) refuses to consider, let alone vote on, what has been proposed? The "prize" is getting full control of the legislature, then, and only then, can anything be accomplished with regard to a repeal.

No. We've seen what the GOP does with full control. You want more from me? Earn what I gave you already. Don't come back to me saying "Well, what I promised, I didn't do but, I need more! In for a penny, in for a pound. Hi-dee ho! Party unity! Us good, them bad!"

 

[GURPS]

And the best is yet to come, regardless of the $2,500 lowering of costs per family:

yeah with higher co-pays and fees, that gets sucked up very quickly

 

[GURPS]

No. We, the people, voted, specifically and overwhelmingly, to send a tidal wave of anti ACA reps to DC in fall of 2010, specifically and solely to repeal the ACA. We did our jobs. The people we voted for did NOT.

yep and the took the house, you Mr Goody Gude forget the Senate :shrug:

 

[acommondisaster]

yep and the took the house, you Mr Goody Gude forget the Senate :shrug:

Can't have the president veto what the senate won't vote on and send to him. Harry Reid has made sure that more than 340 pieces of legislation did not make it to the floor of the senate.

As far as "shut it down" - tried that, remember? And the media made it all about the conservatives wrecking the country by shutting things down. I believe even people here in this somd forum weren't happy with the house when it affected their personal finances.

 

[Larry Gude]

As far as "shut it down" - tried that, remember? And the media made it all about the conservatives wrecking the country by shutting things down. I believe even people here in this somd forum weren't happy with the house when it affected their personal finances.

There is a huge difference between 'try' and 'do'. The ONLY thing that stopped the GOP from repealing the ACA was the GOP.

The GOP has a fair share of press, written, TV, radio, and plenty of advocates. They also had enormous resources to be able to shape legislation, allowing this piece, or that or the other, while resolutely strangling the ACA to death. They chose not to.

The GOP was specifically handed back power to repeal the ACA. It is too late now. They failed. They chose to NOT do what they were sent to do, period.

 

[Ken King]

There is a huge difference between 'try' and 'do'. The ONLY thing that stopped the GOP from repealing the ACA was the GOP.

The GOP has a fair share of press, written, TV, radio, and plenty of advocates. They also had enormous resources to be able to shape legislation, allowing this piece, or that or the other, while resolutely strangling the ACA to death. They chose not to.

The GOP was specifically handed back power to repeal the ACA. It is too late now. They failed. They chose to NOT do what they were sent to do, period.

Holding the House, without the Senate, they have never had the power to repeal anything. Me thinks someone has been sampling the medical marijuana.

 

[Larry Gude]

Holding the House, without the Senate, they have never had the power to repeal anything. Me thinks someone has been sampling the medical marijuana.

That is absurd on the face of it. They control the purse strings. Your mindset, your argument completely obviates the very idea of checks and balances. The House of Representatives pass, or do not pass, what they see fit, independent of the Senate, of the executive, of the judiciary. This doesn't mean the others have to do what they say but, it does mean they had better give it some serious consideration.

You are so wrong it's not even funny. There is NO point to having different branches if they simply do as they are told.

 

[Ken King]

That is absurd on the face of it. They control the purse strings. Your mindset, your argument completely obviates the very idea of checks and balances. The House of Representatives pass, or do not pass, what they see fit, independent of the Senate, of the executive, of the judiciary. This doesn't mean the others have to do what they say but, it does mean they had better give it some serious consideration.

You are so wrong it's not even funny. There is NO point to having different branches if they simply do as they are told.

Wrong, the House only holds onto one of the strings, the Senate holds onto the other. Flash back to 1995/1996 when Congress forced the shutdown, we are still suffering from those losses that fiasco created. You want the GOP to disappear in its entirety, and maybe it should, but it shouldn't if it only leaves solely in power your beloved Dems.

 

[Larry Gude]

Wrong, the House only holds onto one of the strings, the Senate holds onto the other. Flash back to 1995/1996 when Congress forced the shutdown, we are still suffering from those losses that fiasco created. You want the GOP to disappear in its entirety, and maybe it should, but it shouldn't if it only leaves solely in power your beloved Dems.

Hey! I know! Let's change the name from 'Representatives' to 'Acquiesce-ers'. How'd that be?

You can infer all you like about what my intentions are or you can take them at face value. That's your problem. As for me, I see one party sent to expand government, and they do it, and the other, sent to restrict it, and they do NOT do it. My argument is that by standing up, for once, for looking at the people and saying "OK, they REALLY want this, this is the right thing to do', they might become the second party instead of a wing of the big gummint left. In the mean time, if only because they never do it, it's worth a try just for varieties sake. Assuming we don't really want the ACA gone.

 

[itsbob]

My question again, is where are all the liberal pansies who get their Obama Tingle?? Why aren't they in here defending this? They jump at EVERY opportunity to defend their democrat candidates, yet give no mention to this mess, or even ASK their current candidates if they support this crap.. as long as they have the right to kill their babies, they don't care about anything else.

 

[Ken King]

Hey! I know! Let's change the name from 'Representatives' to 'Acquiesce-ers'. How'd that be?

You can infer all you like about what my intentions are or you can take them at face value. That's your problem. As for me, I see one party sent to expand government, and they do it, and the other, sent to restrict it, and they do NOT do it. My argument is that by standing up, for once, for looking at the people and saying "OK, they REALLY want this, this is the right thing to do', they might become the second party instead of a wing of the big gummint left. In the mean time, if only because they never do it, it's worth a try just for varieties sake. Assuming we don't really want the ACA gone.

What you see is skewed as to your expectations. I see both parties as wanting to control the Fed, one party hellbent on becoming total federalists in the process and the other party following slowly behind. When our elected officials serve the parties they do a disservice to the people. They aren't supposed to be servants of the party but servants of the people, all the people and not just their party.

You claim that the current GOP was elected to do away with the ACA, the House has taken measures to do just that, but those measures can go nowhere as long as the Senate blocks/refuses to explore any such change. The problem lies within the Senate and those that got there and have remained there because of the previous "shut it down" tantrums of the GOP.

 

[Larry Gude]

What you see is skewed as to your expectations. I see both parties as wanting to control the Fed, one party hellbent on becoming total federalists in the process and the other party following slowly behind. When our elected officials serve the parties they do a disservice to the people. They aren't supposed to be servants of the party but servants of the people, all the people and not just their party.

You claim that the current GOP was elected to do away with the ACA, the House has taken measures to do just that, but those measures can go nowhere as long as the Senate blocks/refuses to explore any such change. The problem lies within the Senate and those that got there and have remained there because of the previous "shut it down" tantrums of the GOP.

It wasn't my expectations that erupted in summer of '10 that lead to a near record turnover in the House. All those town halls, gatherings, marches, were not my expectations. I didn't even vote because my guy got rigged out. ONE issue animated ALL that action and anger; the ACA.

The House took SOME measures. That didn't do what they were sent to do. As for why, we probably agree but, that is besides the point. No one voted them into office, a sweeping election, so that they could give it a try. They were sent with EVERY intention of getting it done.

 

[Ken King]

It wasn't my expectations that erupted in summer of '10 that lead to a near record turnover in the House. All those town halls, gatherings, marches, were not my expectations. I didn't even vote because my guy got rigged out. ONE issue animated ALL that action and anger; the ACA.

The House took SOME measures. That didn't do what they were sent to do. As for why, we probably agree but, that is besides the point. No one voted them into office, a sweeping election, so that they could give it a try. They were sent with EVERY intention of getting it done.

And not enough have yet to be sent to the Senate to give it an actual chance of getting done because it takes both chambers in agreement to make anything along those lines happen.

 

[Larry Gude]

And not enough have yet to be sent to the Senate to give it an actual chance of getting done because it takes both chambers in agreement to make anything along those lines happen.

Not true. MORE than enough were sent. Plenty. And for ONE reason. We can disagree on whether or not they should or even wanted to but, given the specific purpose they were given, they were supposed to, COULD have shut it all down and refused to do dick unless and until that bastard was killed in the womb or, do what they did;

Save it.

 

[Gilligan]

Didn't some of the Dems like Pelosi say we'd really grow to like Barrycare? How about.."not so much"?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/178094/say-health-law-hurt-instead-helped.aspx

 

[SG_Player1974]

How hard is it to understand that the people who benefit from Obamacare are the same people who couldn't give a damn about the costs of co-pays, deductibles, etc. They are NOT PAYING ANY OF THEM ANYWAYS!!!

And... these are the people who will blindly elect and re-elect those who will continue to allow them to ride the gravy train!