Social Security

vraiblonde

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Ditch it - yay or nay?

They'd have to phase it out because there are a ton of Americans who are currently living off of it or who have it planned into their near financial future, but it's a pyramid scheme that will be collapsing soon because it's unsustainable. The problem is that young people never think they're going to get old, so they won't invest in their own retirement plan. Then they get to be 65 and are broke.

What's the solution?
 

DaSDGuy

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Ditch it - yay or nay?

They'd have to phase it out because there are a ton of Americans who are currently living off of it or who have it planned into their near financial future, but it's a pyramid scheme that will be collapsing soon because it's unsustainable. The problem is that young people never think they're going to get old, so they won't invest in their own retirement plan. Then they get to be 65 and are broke.

What's the solution?
Keep it funded. Eliminate the upper limit cutoff so all income is used to calculate the SS tax. And make all income pay into SS. No exemptions for Executive Branch, Legislative Branch, Judicial Branch or Postal Employees, Rail Road Unions, etc. Everyone pays into SS.
 

SamSpade

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Where do people get the idea that government employees don’t pay SS?

I do however think it’s dumb to have people who live on SS to still pay SS taxes on it.

My concern isn’t so much young kids who don’t save - for example my son, who has an IQ of about 60, will never be able to live unassisted without some support. He will receive a very modest amount when I pass.
 

SamSpade

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As for a solution - I’m in favor of requiring retirement plans, same as everything else. Retirement plans at least have the advantage that they earn money as well as accrue it. SS doesn’t and kinda thinking it CAN’T.

The only thing currently comparable is TSP for all - which when they examined it years ago, found it wouldn’t work. But TSP is the required plan gov employees have, and it’s actual investments.
 

Gilligan

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Ditch it - yay or nay?

They'd have to phase it out because there are a ton of Americans who are currently living off of it or who have it planned into their near financial future, but it's a pyramid scheme that will be collapsing soon because it's unsustainable. The problem is that young people never think they're going to get old, so they won't invest in their own retirement plan. Then they get to be 65 and are broke.

What's the solution?
Ditch it right after I've keeled over and stop getting the monthly payment. Be a few years after Greg....
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
Ditch it right after I've keeled over and stop getting the monthly payment. Be a few years after Greg....
:lol:

My gut feeling is to revert it back to it's original intention, to provide if there is no other means. Years ago, you were lucky to find a lasting job that had retirement benefits, or have enough to put away for the future. Women who never worked at all, who depended on their spouse's income and the spouse dies leaving them with nothing, SS became a crutch, a lifeline. Mandatory investment while working for a retirement fund is a good idea, regardless.

"You didn't put enough away when you worked, so you don't have a retirement." Can you say that to a 70 y/o in need of shelter, food and meds, regardless of how they wound up like that, maybe thru no fault of their own? But how to you fund for that years in advance? SS is not easily dismissed.
 

Tech

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Keep it funded. Eliminate the upper limit cutoff so all income is used to calculate the SS tax. And make all income pay into SS. No exemptions for Executive Branch, Legislative Branch, Judicial Branch or Postal Employees, Rail Road Unions, etc. Everyone pays into SS.
Why? The people at that income most likely don't collect.
 

3CATSAILOR

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Ditch it - yay or nay?

They'd have to phase it out because there are a ton of Americans who are currently living off of it or who have it planned into their near financial future, but it's a pyramid scheme that will be collapsing soon because it's unsustainable. The problem is that young people never think they're going to get old, so they won't invest in their own retirement plan. Then they get to be 65 and are broke.

What's the solution?
If our government didn't steal from it for a list of other things, it would be okay. If our government didn't give it to illegals, it would last longer. If our government funds AMERICANS on Social Security instead of Foreign Nationals across the entire Earth, for foereign programs, it would last longer. If our government didn't fund wars we have no business being a part of, it would last longer. If our government screened for fraud in Social Security, it would last longer. If Congress funded Social Security instead of a long list of special projects, it would last longer. And then people wonder why it is broke.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
For your consideration ...


My gut feeling is to revert it back to it's original intention, to provide if there is no other means.


That's the BS propaganda gaslighting reason they used. The reality is that SS was created, (in 1935), (coincidentally right after FDR confiscated everyone's gold in 1933), to offset the effects of the expansion of the money supply, inflation, and all the smorgasbord of new taxes and fees that were created and necessary to service all the debts that local, state, and federal governments began to take on to go on spending sprees. Inflation, and taxation at all levels reduced many to pauper status because their wages couldn't keep up. Prior to the Federal Reserve Act, revenue to governments came from consumption taxes, such as sales and use taxes. The federal government's revenue came from, tariffs and customs duties: 40-50%, excise taxes: 20-30%, public land sales: 10-20%, internal revenue: 5-10% (taxes on opium and other products).

Prior to 1913, $100 saved in, say 1870, still had the same purchasing power in 1910. That same $100 saved in 1970, today, has the purchasing power of about $11. Another way to put it is; If some thing cost $100 in 1970, today that same item would cost $814. And from here on, it is only going to get worse.

It is inflation that destroys people, even if they live a modest lifestyle. The super vast majority of people simply cannot save enough to offset the loss of purchasing power from the constant devaluation of the dollar being worth less every day after day due to the creation of new currency entering the system every day.

And it doesn't matter if people have a retirement plan or not, even if mandated, inflation, and the yo-yo casino markets that that money is invested in, will never be enough to live on comfortably as when they were working.

Social security is nothing but the government saying, "Hey, we fuked you over your entire life, taxed your wages and everything else your entire life, so here's a pittance until you die. Oh, and by the way, we need to tax your SS too. You know, medicare ain't free. Plus there's still that national debt thing."
 

GregV814

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YEAH, WE CAN ALL MAKE comments about who's getting it and why it should be abolished, ... but listen... lets say you are 40-45...you've paid in, bi-weekly, since you were 16-17 ... now, due to (many) politicians greasy ass fingers, the program is dropped. what do you do knowing that your money is gone??? bitch about it all day, but then try to borrow money???

a couple of years ago, somebody floated an idea to allow each American drop out of SS and set up and independent retirement fund... it would pay compound intrest. But that idea sank like a lead balloon because there would be no funds to pay the retirees already guaranteed the SS funds.

so we just stop now and tell retirees "sorry dude"!!
 

RoseRed

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YEAH, WE CAN ALL MAKE comments about who's getting it and why it should be abolished, ... but listen... lets say you are 40-45...you've paid in, bi-weekly, since you were 16-17 ... now, due to (many) politicians greasy ass fingers, the program is dropped. what do you do knowing that your money is gone??? bitch about it all day, but then try to borrow money???

a couple of years ago, somebody floated an idea to allow each American drop out of SS and set up and independent retirement fund... it would pay compound intrest. But that idea sank like a lead balloon because there would be no funds to pay the retirees already guaranteed the SS funds.

so we just stop now and tell retirees "sorry dude"!!
I'm in my later 50's and have been paying into SS since I was 15. I also have an independent IRA that I feed into whenever I leave a company with my 401k (I've had that since I was 18). I ALWAYS use the 401k option with the company I happen to be working for. Will I get SS when the time comes? I don't know, it may all be pissed away by that time. But I do have my other account to depend on.
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
I'm in my later 50's and have been paying into SS since I was 15. I also have an independent IRA that I feed into whenever I leave a company with my 401k (I've had that since I was 18). I ALWAYS use the 401k option with the company I happen to be working for. Will I get SS when the time comes? I don't know, it may all be pissed away by that time. But I do have my other account to depend on.
Smart.
Between being lucky and some good planning, I use my SS solely for extra income, for my playthings and toys. It could disappear today and I wouldn't miss it at all, except that I paid into and won't get my full promised return. Chalk it up like a bad investment and move on.
 

Chopticon64

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Smart.
Between being lucky and some good planning, I use my SS solely for extra income, for my playthings and toys. It could disappear today and I wouldn't miss it at all, except that I paid into and won't get my full promised return. Chalk it up like a bad investment and move on.
“Playthings”

Benefits need to be means tested and end SSDI, that’ll get the balance sheet back into tip top shape fast.
 

RoseRed

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Smart.
Between being lucky and some good planning, I use my SS solely for extra income, for my playthings and toys. It could disappear today and I wouldn't miss it at all, except that I paid into and won't get my full promised return. Chalk it up like a bad investment and move on.
My Uncle set me up well. When he retired, he sent me over to one of his proteges (?) Who has also watched out for me.
 

Ramp Guy

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I paid for it, I want it. If they change the rules, I'll abide by it. For now, it's play money.
That you did and you didn't have as choice, the government confiscated your money via the tax system. Remember, the money you put in was also matched by your employer.

Good planning on your part to not depend on S/S as your only income in retirement. Why other people think you shouldn't have "play things" is that they are jealous that you are "smart with your money"
 

Ramp Guy

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When S/S first started the thought back then that people putting in would not live as long as we do now. Therefor more people pulling from S/S for longer time is creating the problem of draining the funds.

Hell, I have been receiving S/S for 14 years now. I'm thinking that the S/S planers never dreamed that people would be receiving it for that long.

Heck, my mother in-law received S/S until she passed away this year at 103. (some of the benefits were also from her husband who passed away at 84) No way did either of them ever "put in" what they "took out"

What a ponzi scheme. If you tried to set up a commercial finance system based like S/S, you would be arrested.
 
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